http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2008/07/11/1/

This statement does seem to be the end as a starter quarterback on Green Bay. I think his choice now seems likely he will remain retired or be the backup. Trade is the other choice. but not to where we don't want to see him at Chicago or Vikings.
By the way, Favre good start some places around the team. For example, would you rather have Grossman in Chicago?

There was a story on ESPN analyzing all 31 teams that Favre could potentially be traded to. Interesting reading, if not annoying due to the fact that a washed up quarterback shouldn't be getting this much media attention. Article (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3474482)

I think if Favre does come back, he will be traded. The interesting thing is that list is today, and it may well be a trade when someone gets hurt. The Packers can take one of their rookies and put him on the practice team, keeping Favre as the backup. At someone point someone will be interesting.
Favre is old, and not as good he was a few years ago, but they were a good enough to get well into the playoffs. They could have some role as a fill up when someone gets hurt to get for the year.

Washed up? He had like his 3rd best passing rating ever this past year. I don't really see how Green Bay has really much of a choice. I don't see how you can not start Favre. They're a playoff calibre team with him. With Rogers, they just don't sound very scary.

Rogers doesn't have the reputation by the nation well, but Rogers is a good quarterback. Last year, when Favre was hurt and Rogrs played against Dallas, Rogers played better than Favre the second half.

Karankawa sounds like evreyone in the national media, and thank God for Imagineer to come by and put some actual sense into this situation.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers is a good quarterback. He is basically Brady Quinn but 2-3 years older. He was a high 1st rounder who fell. Everyone says he's no good because they WANT him to be no good so they can splooge over Favre some more.

Green Bay is FINALLY doing the right thing, and something they should have done 3-4 years ago, and that is to move on. Favre was good, but his better years are well behind him. The media is smitten over text messages by Brett Favre... and in the meantime are trying to find a way to villanize the owner of the Packers and make Brett look like the good guy, but that's nearly impossible. Brett is the pompous, dramatic asshole.. again. He not only made public statements about text messages while retired, he thinks he is above the rules. His rationaization is that he has never "made up his mind before March" about retirement, and even though he had a RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT... we, and the packers, should have somehow known better.

Favre won't be traded by the Packers. The only way Favre can go to another team is if he's released. And THAT won't be until just before the season so that he doesn't go to a Minnesota or Chicago... teams they are contending with.

Favre just doesn't know how to not have the spotlight on him. He is a media whore these days. Marino knew when to hang it up... but Favre needs that edge and flavor. He knows exactly what he is doing. He knows that he has the media in his back pocket, and probably uses all the media speculation to ring in the ears of Packer management. The thing is... Favre is the bad guy here, nobody wants to say it though. The packers need to move on, they have a great defense, a great running game.. and a prospect quarterback who is looking good. Aaron Rodgers is the future, you can't hold him down anymore. I hope Favre goes somewhere and is made into the backup that hs is nowadays.. and then he retires, takes his selfish ball and pride, and goes home. He gets no sympathy from me.

Decka, when it comes to Favre, you should just shut the hell up. I have no idea what the dude did to you, but for some reason you hate him, I can't figure out why.

Anyway, Favre has handled this entire thing badly and I don't blame the Packers one bit for the crappy position he's put them into.

You know who should feel the worst of all this: the planning committee that was arranging his number retirement ceremony. All that hard work gone to waste.

Decka, Just thing to remember, when Favre was playing last year, he won a lot of games last year. Rogers is slightly better than Favre right now, and is a lot younger.
With that said, the hype of Favre, and the hype of every other quarterback is huge. Favre was a great quarterback on the Packers a couple years ago on a team with a poor line, inexperienced recievers, and a missing running game. They were 4-12. A team much better, with a better a bit ;ess good than Favre were much better.
Quarterbacks get much more of the cheers and jeers than they deserve. They are always the television shot every play. It is what the casually fans sees. The ability of the line always makes the quarterback look like the the quarterback can a lot better or worse than do.

Decka, when it comes to Favre, you should just shut the hell up. I have no idea what the dude did to you, but for some reason you hate him, I can't figure out why.

I don't deny that I have a biased opinion.... but I don't think i'm that "far out there" either. Why are you telling ME to shut up, when It's ESPN and John Madden who are giddy with Favre fever? Favre is being crammed down our throats 24-7, and he's RETIRED. He's 38-39 years old, the organization has moved on... I don't see the story. It's just hope, by the media, that their golden boy will come back.

Decka, Just thing to remember, when Favre was playing last year, he won a lot of games last year. Rogers is slightly better than Favre right now, and is a lot younger.

Favre had a great year last year.. but that really doesn't make up for the 4 years before that. He pretty much put that team in a stand-still capsule.. He was able to bully management to let him start every game, even though they were rebuilding.

With that said, the hype of Favre, and the hype of every other quarterback is huge.

Favre has surpassed any hype of any other player in sports history. I have never seen such interest in text messages and speculation of a retired 39 year old in my life. I understand if this were for a few days, but it's been going on for weeks.

Favre was a great quarterback on the Packers a couple years ago on a team with a poor line, inexperienced recievers, and a missing running game.

... either that, or he was bumbling and fumbling away the ball, throwing into triple coverage, and perhaps losing it... which is what i saw.

It's funny and blatant bias when Favre throws 4 INT's, and is given a "pass" because he's a "gunslinger" and just "wants it so bad"... but if someone else threw that bad, they'd get canned. Favre can't lose.. if he plays bad, he's a gunslinger.

They were 4-12. A team much better, with a better a bit ;ess good than Favre were much better.

Favre had very bad years before last year. He is just as much to blame for their dismal records. He threw 20-30 INT's a year.

Quarterbacks get much more of the cheers and jeers than they deserve. They are always the television shot every play. It is what the casually fans sees. The ability of the line always makes the quarterback look like the the quarterback can a lot better or worse than do.

I agree that the quarterback is the most visible aspect of the game.. but Favre has gone beyond that. WELL beyond that. He is an ESPN analyst's wet dream. And they all are backing each other up by talking about.. and talking about it.. and talking about it... and then say they are talking about it because everyone else is talking about, who only talk about it because everyone else is talking about it. But the big picture is this... some guy retired, now he wants back in, but he missed his chance already.. next.

Lord only knows what would happen if we had this running around...
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8337434_18_1.jpg

Lord only knows what would happen if we had this running around...
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8337434_18_1.jpg

Talk about your nightmares. But of all of the old, should-be-retired QBs the Vikings have had, he'd definitely be the best.

It would be a no lose situation for Brett... that is IF the media continues their love affair... he could throw 20 INT's in the first 5 games... and it would be that Brett is "not giving up", is "such a competitor", and is a "gunslinger"... not that he just isn't throwing that ball well.. THAT is impossible.

Talk about your nightmares. But of all of the old, should-be-retired QBs the Vikings have had, he'd definitely be the best.

The greatest fans in football would pelt him with sausages if he set foot in Lambeau Field wearing purple. ;)

The greatest fans in football would pelt him with sausages if he set foot in Lambeau Field wearing purple. ;)Now I want it to happen! :)

What interesting would be what would happen if he tried a Lambeau Leap wearing purple. That frozen tundra would have blood on it.

I have just to an interesting interview with Favre today. It is strange that he doesn't seem to know what happened.

http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/category.asp?C=123754&nav=menu1362_4

I don't see how some of you can be so confident about Rodgers. 73.3 career passing rating. Hm.

Rogers doesn't have a lot of experience. That pass rating is one of two stints of a half or more. In the first of that time, he played with a broken foot in the first series, but remain in the game because had already been hurt. He looked terribly that time. I think most quarterbacks would have looked terribly with a poor line and a broken foot.
In the second time of playing for any long time was last year, when they came in after Favre had been knocked out of the game against Dallas. They came from behind the game and won. They had better statistics than Favre had in the game, and looked good.
I know it isn't very much, but they have gotten better each year since being drafted when they were in the preseason. I think they will be OK, but I do understand that it about half optimism and half observation. It is good that they have a solid young team around him, so he doesn't have to trying winning without help. In one way, they have about as much experience when Steve Young had when Montana was replaced. I hope it goes as well it did at that.

I don't see how Aaron Rodgers is constantly called a bad quarterback.. when he's being judged on 2 games he played in, and in one he clearly outplayed Favre. We don't know what he's got.

Meanwhile, the media and Favre lovers will continue to use the "Rodgers=bad quarterback" card in order to give excuse to calling for Favre to play.

Go figure, the Pack looks to scapegoat the Vikes. (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80955fca&template=with-video&confirm=true)

I just saw more of what Brett Favre said in an interview, and I am clearly convinced that this guy is a pompous, arrogant ass.

1. For a guy who just "loves the game", and is all about the team.. he sure is talking about himself a lot, and putting himself to different standards than the team. He would not say that he was 100% committed to the season, and was asked on multiple occasions... so it's a no brainer. The packers move on. End of story. But no wait! It's BRETT FAVRE we are talking about here! He has EARNED the right to fuck the packers year after year by being a blatant drama queen.. absorbing the media glore like a pornstarish, teeny bop pop star.

2. Favre is attacking the very hand that has fed him all these years. He is trying to villainize Thompson by saying Thompson lied, or that he's telling mistruths. The Packers are solidified in their stance.. they have set their parameters. It's Brett Favre who reaks of desperation. A bumbling, stubborn, pissed off guy who wants more fame.. that's what he comes off like to me in these interviews. Favre is doing all the talking, and usually the guy who is running around, saying things spiratically for the media to eat up is the one trying to get something he shouldn't have or the one with something to hide.

3. Favre should not just be released.. as all the media and fans are begging for. Why would the Packers do that? The Packers have vested interest in this situation, obviously. They don't want to face this guy two times a year... (or, with all the INT's, I would think they would be all for it)... but the Packers should also get draft picks and compensation for Favre. All this hoopla by the media, fans, and players calling for his release is serious mental retardation. In sports, you GET something for one of your players... or that is the goal. Even though all these giddy people want to splooge and jerk off to Favre for one more year... look at it from a non-idol worship perspective.. please!

In the end.. the more talking Favre does, the more of an ass he looks like. This guy really doesn't care much for "the team".. whoever it is. It's all about him, and what he wants. He can throw out cliches and say lots of empty speech... but actions speak louder than words. Favre has done nothing but think about himself. He hasn't entertained that the Packers, being a young team, SHOULD move on. He hasn't entertained that he is still a player, and isn't above the team to be able to request a release based on.. nothing. Favre talks and thinks for himself... end of story. Save the "American man" image bullshit.. Favre's true colors are shining brighter than ever.

I don't see how Aaron Rodgers is constantly called a bad quarterback.. when he's being judged on 2 games he played in, and in one he clearly outplayed Favre. We don't know what he's got.

I don't recall anyone ever saying Rogers was a bad QB. Brittle, perhaps. Inexperienced, definitely, but not bad.

Go figure, the Pack looks to scapegoat the Vikes.

I dunno, sounds like something they'd do. :D We're talking about the party barging, original whizzinating, superbowl ticket scalping, cop bumping Vikings here.

I just saw more of what Brett Favre said in an interview, and I am clearly convinced that this guy is a pompous, arrogant ass.

You'd think if he were a pompous, arrogant ass someone other than you would have said so by now, but no one familiar with him has. Having said that, he's obviously getting to be a bit selfish and pigheaded right now.

I don't recall anyone ever saying Rogers was a bad QB. Brittle, perhaps. Inexperienced, definitely, but not bad.

They are most certainly saying Aaron Rodgers is a bad quarterback.. albeit indirectly. It still doesn't change the message. I have heard countless "analyst interviews" where they say that a 39 year old Brett Favre makes the Packers a much better team than with Aaron Rodgers. A much better team? How can you be so certain? You can't even be certain that Rodgers might even be an upgrade. 39 years old is 39 years old. Favre had a good year last year, but look at the last 5 years as a whole, he's a below average quarterback. You would be a fool to think Favre is in store for 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards this year without throwing for 20 picks. You would be a fool to say that Favre hasn't lost a step, isn't immobile, and isn't holding this team back.

I'm hoping you watch the same ESPN worship of St. Brett that I watch... because it's not only nauseating, but it downright defies what the logical thing a sports team should do.



You'd think if he were a pompous, arrogant ass someone other than you would have said so by now, but no one familiar with him has. Having said that, he's obviously getting to be a bit selfish and pigheaded right now.

I'm not the only one... finally, multiple people are coming around. Stephen A. Smith (a moron who I usually disagree with) agreed with me for the first time ever... multiple talk shows have begged for the story to be over. But it's hard for a story to die when every 10 minutes on "ESPN update", it's a Brett Favre circus about a text message, what he said to his wife, and what he might have meant in an interview.

I think the media is salvating over this story based on immature impulses.. and most of them KNOW it. Michael Wilbon said this is "the story that just won't go away", and when he was called on it, he said "it's the only good story in sports right now!"... which was crushed by the listing of NBA free agency, Josh Hamilton, MLB Free Agency, NFL previews.... Wilbon could only say "yea.. well... " and was speechless. He KNEW that this story is only kept alive because Favre is Jesus Christ to ESPN.

I think nobody wants to tarnish the "american boy image" that was branded onto Favre. They forget that he was a drunk, pill popping asshole in Atlanta, and during his MVP years in Green Bay.

People are starting to get the hint... although it's 4 years late.

Originally Posted by LionelHutz
We're talking about the party barging, original whizzinating, superbowl ticket scalping, cop bumping Vikings here.
Umm, no. That was in the "Meathead" Mike Tice coaching era, where the coach didn't give a floop about off-the-field conduct. We're in the Childress Era now.

Here is a little bit more from the news about the Vikings.

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/296539

While it is difficult to prove tampering, there is certainly some suspicous talking going on. It will be interesting to see what can be proved. San Francisco did have to give up a draft pick last after what was going on with Briggs. All in all, the bad blood will continue on Monday Night Football.

Well, I can see the argument that Favre is an ass. He made a big scene retiring and now he's making an ever bigger scene un-retiring.

HOWEVER, with that being said....

I REALLY don't understand the Green Bay attitude about Rodgers. He's been a backup for 3 seasons, appeared in 6 games...his stats don't seem impressive at all to me. His good games were this past year in which the Pack excelled in general. One could argue that you could put any QB in the NFL at the helm of the Pack and have some good numbers for a game or two.

But talent isn't judged by short stints. If that were the case, then we could sit down in the summertime and watch ESPN do that contest where they grab a few big name QBs and let them have passing contests and see who wins, and it would be that easy to tell who is the best. No, talent is judged over time. You have to develop a record, history. Favre has that. Rodgers doesn't.

I am entertainted by the Green Bay story. I'm hoping that Rodgers does start and plays for this team that would be a playoff team with Favre at the helm. And let's see what he does. He may do alright, but maybe you guys should take a look at that Denver team from 2 seasons ago. They had a QB that had popularity troubles, Plummer, and they had a young QB that the city was enamored with, a "proven" starter who was just biding his time in Cutler. So Denver, who seemed a lock to go to the playoffs opted for a QB change in mid-season. Cutler went on to choke Denver out of the playoffs that year. And last year the Broncos slipped to 7-9. So much for a can't miss prospect. My money is on Rodgers doing about the same. Sorry, young QBs simply rarely do well. I think Pittsburgh has a rare exception right now, but that's about it.

Originally Posted by Karankawa
I REALLY don't understand the Green Bay attitude about Rodgers. He's been a backup for 3 seasons, appeared in 6 games...his stats don't seem impressive at all to me.
I sense that a lot of it goes back to that (correct me if I'm wrong) Packers/Cowboys game where Rodgers filled in for an injured Favre and threw for a couple hundred yards and a touchdown or two. It's really the only full-fledged performance he's put out in his three years on the team. It's not relaly fair to say a QB is going to have a good season based on one major performance in three years.

I agree that Rodgers has not played for a ful season yet. It is time to find out what we have, and the glimpses have looked good to me so far. I am optimism that we will look good. I also will have a chance to learn a great deal, and will probably get better in a couple seasons. They will not get the experienced sitting on the bench. I think it is time to let Rodgers start. If he can't do the job well, we can develop another quarterback if we have to.

Umm, no. That was in the "Meathead" Mike Tice coaching era, where the coach didn't give a floop about off-the-field conduct. We're in the Childress Era now.

We'll see.

In the Vikings defense, though, I'm not sure just having the QB coach talk to Favre qualifies as tampering, if indeed they're the good friends they supposedly are.

I REALLY don't understand the Green Bay attitude about Rodgers. He's been a backup for 3 seasons, appeared in 6 games...his stats don't seem impressive at all to me. His good games were this past year in which the Pack excelled in general. One could argue that you could put any QB in the NFL at the helm of the Pack and have some good numbers for a game or two.

Well, they do see the guy in practice every day, which doesn't translate exactly to game time, but still, they at least have an idea of how much understanding he has of the system, what kind of throws he can make, etc. But basically, they need to find out if he's a decent QB now, while he still has time on his contract.

Originally Posted by LionelHutz
In the Vikings defense, though, I'm not sure just having the QB coach talk to Favre qualifies as tampering, if indeed they're the good friends they supposedly are.
Not to mention that the Vikings Organization has repeatedly stated that Jackson is their man at the QB Position. Plus, Favre wouldn't have that great of a trade value at his age.

It looks like the Vikings are going to have to explain some phone calls that were talking to Favre. It seems that Favre was not very discreet. He used the cell phones givng the Packers for their use. The Packers have the phone records from their bill.
It might be Bevell was a friend, but there were also phone calls with Brad Childress, someone he was not a friend, but who is the coach of the Vikings. They never worked together before.

http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1719

It will be interesting to see how many the Vikings will have to give up draft picks.

Un-freakin-believable

The circus continues.

EVERY day... ESPN drools over the "Brett Favre saga", saying it's highly covered because.. well, they are highly covering it. That is like Lebron James hitting a jumper, and then going up to someone and saying, "man, whoever just hit that jumpshot is good!" It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, a self-promoting ESPN, and a viscous media cycle. Not only that, but EVERY FREAKIN DAY, we have to hear 31 different scenarios about each team and how Brett Favre would fit on every NFL team...

Favre made calls on HIS phone to the vikings.. that's what I hear. FAVRE called the Vikings. Not a big deal, the Vikings would never take Favre, and the Packers would never trade Favre to the Vikings.

But now we have the freakin COMMISSIONER OF THE NFL stepping into the stream of the media jackoff. Roger Godell is telling the Packers to release Favre.... huh? First off, since when does a commissioner tell a team who to release and who to keep. Second, Why would you release Brett Favre? Someone has to TRADE for him.. gee, what a concept! All of these reports on Favre are way short on common sense. The fans, the reporters, and now the commissioner wants Brett to play so much that they are upset with the Packers for not giving up free Brett Favres to any team who wants him. Why doesn't a team put some picks or players on the line and trade for him? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

Favre is like a lingering fart that just won't go away. He gets a free pass from the media, if any other player pulled this me-first, moronic logic, they would be scrutinized and dismissed. The Packers have every right to hang onto Favre and wait to see if Favre "calls their bluff" to go grab a clipboard and be a backup to Aaron Rodgers. If Favre shows up, I would imagine the Packers would THEN trade Favre to an AFC team. It's nice to see Favre take his own medicine though. The packers are waiting it out and not giving in. Farve has fucked the packers for years every offseason by doing the same thing. How does it feel to be on the other side, Brett?

Where is the "team first" Brett Favre that I hear about? The guy who plays "like a little kid" and just "loves the game"? Where is this "sportsman", this "all-american male"? I don't think he ever existed. John Madden simply created a media monster, a guy people could "relate with" and "look up to" by hyping him like crazy and conveniently forgetting all of his flaws.

Favre is the major asshole in this situation. He needs to shut his mouth, and realize that he is acting as if he is bigger than the team, aka, an asshole. He sounds bitter, selfish, and greedy. Do what is best for your team and shut your mouth. Quit causing drama and controversy of how you are being "wronged", when it is YOU who is clearly in the wrong. Brett had EVERY chance to play this year, but he passed multiple opprotunities, so the Packers moved on. Now, we have Favre bitching and moaning about how he didn't MEAN to retire, he was FORCED to retire... ???. Why did you hold a press conference if you were FORCED to retire? Why did you say what you said to the media if it was FORCED on you? You missed the bus, Brett. Now you want the entire bus to come back just for you. It doesn't work like that.

a viscous media cycle.
I agree. The media cycle is indeed quite syrupy. I'd rate it about a 20W-50.

There are two different things going on. First is the media frenzy. They suck, and I don;t bother listening to ESPN, which I think it's media frenzy and hype about everything. I avoid it.
The seperate issue is the actually facts in what happened to Favre and the Vikings. The bill of the phone bill shows only the calls that Favre made because those are the one who would show up on the Packer's bill, who give the Favre's phone to use. Any calls from the Vikings would call Favre would show up on the bill the Vikings or Childress and/or Bevell when they called unless they called collect. I am sure they will release those records when their attorney thinks it OK. The commisioner will make the decision shortly, perhaps as soon as the next weekend.
One things is that if Favre called then and the Vikings talked to them as instead of putting on ignore alone will be an infractions of the NFL rules. The San Francisco 49ers lost a draft choice last summer when the tampered with Briggs. The rule is the same for every team. It looks really suspicous, and I'm sure the investigation by the commisioner will make an decision.
Favre is a good quarterback, but I do agree that Favre has been trying to act that he is the team. I expect that Favre will trade him if he un-retires. He will not go to the Vikings. If no one will offer him anything, which is possible, Favre would have to show up to training camp. I don't know what the Packers will do. They are not going to want to release him, because that is probably what he is planning with the Vikings. They could put him on the roster and let him be a cancer in the locker room.
Personally they hope the commissioner will penalize Favre as will as the Vikings. I think it would be right if they suspend him for two years, the amount he has still in effect of his contract. Then he can do what he wants.

There are two different things going on. First is the media frenzy. They suck, and I don;t bother listening to ESPN, which I think it's media frenzy and hype about everything. I avoid it.
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ESPN has switched from being based on sports to merely reporting sports, but thriving in drama. I have noticed that the main stories this past week were a retired quarterback, an argument between two female race car drivers (Danica Patrick), and a fight in a WNBA game. That's it.

The seperate issue is the actually facts in what happened to Favre and the Vikings. The bill of the phone bill shows only the calls that Favre made because those are the one who would show up on the Packer's bill, who give the Favre's phone to use. Any calls from the Vikings would call Favre would show up on the bill the Vikings or Childress and/or Bevell when they called unless they called collect. I am sure they will release those records when their attorney thinks it OK. The commisioner will make the decision shortly, perhaps as soon as the next weekend.

You can never fully trust "sources".. but I'm hearing (how can you not hear about Brett Favre) that Favre was quite in the wrong in calling another team, and that he even outed the Packers by admitting that it was a team phone. That puts the Packers in trouble with league regulations. I guess Favre supposedly isn't supposed to have that phone to begin with. So now we have poor old Brett getting revenge on those mean ol' Packers who won't roll out the red carpet for him. I would LOVE to sit down and have a chat with Brett Favre. This guy is off his rocker. SOMEONE needs to smack him upside the head and talk some sense into his ear. He is having delusions of grandure.

Favre is a good quarterback, but I do agree that Favre has been trying to act that he is the team.

I have thought this for the past 5 years. It has taken this big drama sequence for most people to realize this. Don't be fooled, Favre knows EXACTLY what he is doing. He could EASILY set a press conference and just say that "hey, I'm ready to come back, I have the papers right here, and i'm going to mail them to the commissioner as soon as this press conference is over, any questions". But Favre doesn't do that. He puts out feelers, leaves an aura of mystery that the moronic ESPN eats right up. He plays football with high school teams, and smartly plays dumb to the fact that he is in the limelight. He likes the drama, and uses the media to get his way. He's done this for years, and has put himself in front of the team.

Favre was the best QB in the league.. 12 years go. Since then, he's gone from good, to above average.. and then to well below average, to outright dismal. But yet, all of his greediness and faults are purposely overlooked by the media. He is glorified as a "kid out there" who "loves the game".. meanwhile, Brett is making tons of money, not giving a shit about his team, and being an asshole.

I expect that Favre will trade him if he un-retires.

I think you mean "The Packers"... LOL, I'm not accusing you of drinking the coolaid imagineer, but it's just a funny typo. If it were up to Brett, It probably would be "The Green Bay Favres", playing at "Favre field"...

But yes, The Packers will probably trade Favre IF he shows up to training camp. However, by then most teams are set on their starter. So he will go to a non-contender or to a desperate team who is dealing with a QB injury. The most Green Bay can get for Favre is probably a 3rd rounder, but it's better than just giving him away, which the media suggests.

He will not go to the Vikings. If no one will offer him anything, which is possible, Favre would have to show up to training camp. I don't know what the Packers will do. They are not going to want to release him, because that is probably what he is planning with the Vikings. They could put him on the roster and let him be a cancer in the locker room.

Favre IS a cancer. All of this "off the field" stuff is a distraction. He is no golden boy. He might not be taking steroids, but he is being a pain in the ass to the Packers, and has held back that franchise for at least 5 years because of his need to play. Even when there is no chance to make the playoffs, and you have a young Aaron Rodgers, or anyone else, sitting on the bench.. he demanded to play. It was all about him.

The Packers are totally in the right here. They aren't breaking any rules. They are just not giving Favre the pillow treatment he is used to. They aren't being the spineless significant other who always takes you back. So he is doing a great job of smearing the Packers, and bitching and moaning.. but in the end, the Packers hold all the cards.

Personally they hope the commissioner will penalize Favre as will as the Vikings. I think it would be right if they suspend him for two years, the amount he has still in effect of his contract. Then he can do what he wants.

While I doubt the Vikings are actually going after Favre, I think the Packers are making more of a statement to the entire NFL by being very cautious of who talks to Favre. They don't want to get screwed. They are pretty much saying "don't touch" to any other team out there by making a big stink about this Vikings situation.

I will never forget an interview I saw with Favre a few years ago. He was asked about all the interceptions he was throwing, and he maturely stated that his recieving core wasn't that strong, so he is pressed to force the ball in there more. First off, he had a solid receiving core in Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, and Javon Walker. Second, you aren't a good quarterback if you are forcing in the first place. He wouldn't take the blame, it was the recievers fault. That pretty much sums up Brett Favre in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Decka
If it were up to Brett, It probably would be "The Green Bay Favres", playing at "Favre field"...

...and John Madden would commentate every single game. :D

Originally Posted by Decka
While I doubt the Vikings are actually going after Favre, I think the Packers are making more of a statement to the entire NFL by being very cautious of who talks to Favre. They don't want to get screwed. They are pretty much saying "don't touch" to any other team out there by making a big stink about this Vikings situation.
The Vikings have no interest in Favre and I see no reason why they should. Why would they want a 38-year-old, near-retirement QB that, at this point in his career, is probly only worth a third round draft pick when they have a young gun who's in the development stages of his career? Besides, with as tight as the rivalry is between the Vikes and the Slackers, we wouldn't bite and they wouldn't give.

Anybody else get the feeling that "Farva" was only in his final season for the records?

The Vikings have no interest in Favre and I see no reason why they should. Why would they want a 38-year-old, near-retirement QB that, at this point in his career, is probly only worth a third round draft pick when they have a young gun who's in the development stages of his career? Besides, with as tight as the rivalry is between the Vikes and the Slackers, we wouldn't bite and they wouldn't give.

Anybody else get the feeling that "Farva" was only in his final season for the records?

I agree that there will be no "wheeling and dealing" by the Vikings and Packers.. just as the Steelers and Browns never trade with each other.

And that last point you made is one I have thought for awhile as well, and have stated on these forums before. It's interesting that he comes back every year to a losing team and plays every game, but yet when it's a 13-3 super bowl caliber team.. he's not so uppity to come and play... well, he's already got his records, which seem to be quite important to him. But come on John Madden, aren't records VERY team oriented?

Originally Posted by Decka
And that last point you made is one I have thought for awhile as well, and have stated on these forums before. It's interesting that he comes back every year to a losing team and plays every game, but yet when it's a 13-3 super bowl caliber team.. he's not so uppity to come and play... well, he's already got his records, which seem to be quite important to him. But come on John Madden, aren't records VERY team oriented?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what his M.O. was the whole time. The way he's acting now wouldn't surprise me.

I wouldn't be surprised either. While John Madden was teaching all of his Favre-ites that St. Brett can do no wrong... Favre was being a COMPETITOR. That's all. While Madden was saying how every young boy wants to grow up and be Brett Favre, and that all people have a little Brett Favre in them... Favre was PLAYING FOOTBALL. He wasn't going to homeless shelters, inviting the public to his house, cleaning the streets of Green Bay, or donating with a pure intention to charity. His focus was football. He was a competitor. He was praised for this competitiveness all day by Madden and the Favre-ites, but yet this same competitiveness also means he'd push a 10 year old boy over to be first. He's never been some gracious man. He's never been outspoken. He's been branded and labeled by the media as a great man. Meanwhile, the facts tell a different story. He was a drunk/lush, a pill popper, obsessed, and a drama queen. He's intense. He hates to lose. Those types of people aren't great guys. Michael Jordan isn't a nice guy, Tiger Woods isn't a nice guy. They are such competitors that they do their thing and then go home.

Oh, and while the media ASSumed that Favre was just a "giddy little school boy" when he acted as if every TD pass was the first one he ever threw... Honestly, what other reason, other than self glorification, would you get so pumped up about a Touchdown? Act like you've been there before Brett. Barry Sanders handed the ball off the referee. I know Peyton Manning smiles and jogs up to congratulate and pat his receiver on the back... but Favre holds his hands in the air as if he is being called from Jesus Christ himself through some divine intervention almost every time.. even if it was an inconsequential score. Can someone answer me that?

Why would they want a 38-year-old, near-retirement QB that, at this point in his career,

Hmmmm. A list of Vikings QBs. I took the liberty of bolding the old, near-retirement QBs. I probably missed a few.

Fran Tarkenton 1961-1966
Joe Kapp 1967-1969
Gary Cuozzo 1970-1971
Fran Tarkenton (2) 1972-1978
Tommy Kramer 1979-1984
Wade Wilson 1985
Tommy Kramer (2) 1986-1987
Wade Wilson (2) 1988-1989
Rich Gannon 1990-1992
Jim McMahon 1993
Warren Moon 1994-1996
Brad Johnson 1997
Randall Cunningham 1998
Jeff George 1999
Daunte Culpepper 2000-2005
Brad Johnson (2) 2006
Tarvaris Jackson 2007

Brad Johnson 1997

.....

Brad Johnson (2) 2006LOL -- both times. :)

Originally Posted by LionelHutz
Hmmmm. A list of Vikings QBs. I took the liberty of bolding the old, near-retirement QBs. I probably missed a few.

Fran Tarkenton 1961-1966
Joe Kapp 1967-1969
Gary Cuozzo 1970-1971
Fran Tarkenton (2) 1972-1978
Tommy Kramer 1979-1984
Wade Wilson 1985
Tommy Kramer (2) 1986-1987
Wade Wilson (2) 1988-1989
Rich Gannon 1990-1992
Jim McMahon 1993
Warren Moon 1994-1996
Brad Johnson 1997
Randall Cunningham 1998
Jeff George 1999
Daunte Culpepper 2000-2005
Brad Johnson (2) 2006
Tarvaris Jackson 2007

Ok, so I'll break it down even further:
Fran Tarkenton - Age 32 (2nd time)
Tommy Kramer - Age 31 (2nd time)
Wade Wilson - Age 29 (2nd time)
Jim McMahon - Age 34
Warren Moon - Age 38
Brad Johnson - Age 29
Randall Cunningham - Age 35
Brad Johnson - Age 38

Favre's current age (correct me if I'm wrong) is 38. There's a couple of old ones in there, but I guess it depends on what you consider "old" in the NFL. I wouldn't consider ALL the ones you highlighted to have been old when they joined or re-joined.

I agree. Looking at the list, the only guys who make valid points are Brad Johnson (the 2nd time) and Warren Moon. Randal Cunningham was in the beginning of a "last hurrah" year, a rebirth of his career. Favre is well past a "last hurrah", and is dwindling down to desperation.

Meanwhile, we are ignoring the elephant in the room, which is team chemistry and how the game has changed. Over the years, it has become more important to have someone grow into the team instead of just bringing some hot shot QB from somewhere else. Also, I think the Vikings learned the hard way that having QB's who can run a 6.2 40-yard dash are a fading commodity. Tavaris Jackson is very much today's QB mold. A guy who is very mobile, very athletic, has a good arm, is tall, and has shown a sign of patience. He's also earning his stripes.

bolding the old, near-retirement QBs.

...

Brad Johnson 1997
Brad Johnson was "old and near retirement" in 1997? He was 29.

Brad Johnson was "old and near retirement" in 1997? He was 29.

Yeah, I only meant to do him once (the second time).

Originally Posted by LionelHutz
Yeah, I only meant to do him once (the second time).
Can you explain Wade Wilson's second time, while you're at it?

Can you explain Wade Wilson's second time, while you're at it?

I dunno, I always that he was old. Maybe I was confusing old with sucks. :)

Originally Posted by LionelHutz
I dunno, I always that he was old. Maybe I was confusing old with sucks. :)
...or maybe you were confusing Wade Wilson with Don Majkowski. ;)

We have MORE drama.. from the drama queen, Brett Favre.

I don't even see how Favre can NOT be doing this intentionally. He announces to the public that he's going to show up at Green Bay's training camp, but has yet to file his papers to even be considered an NFL player....

....

Isn't that the FIRST step you take in saying you are going to training camp? Isn't ELIGABILITY kind of important? It looks as if Favre did this intentionally to stir up some more media interest. It's the only possibile explanation. I know that I don't announce I'm going to Harvard until I'm accepted there...

I'm more or less just sick of every sports media out there having at least 5 different reports on the same friggin' subject.

I'm pissed that Brett Favre has been elevated to league status. On the "ticker" at the bottom of the screen.. you have AL, NL, NFL, NBA, Tennis, Favre.... Favre? WTF?

If he had his own league that would solve a lot of problems.

Well, training camp started, and he didn't show up. That drama queen liar.

Just a couple minutes a go he signed his reinstatement with the NFL. The Packers now have 24 hours to trade, release, or put him on the roster. Stay tuned.

And along with this comes yet more talk on which of the 31 teams he would fit the best in. This will surely go on ESPN's "Favre Ticker" ...along with what he had for breakfast today.

And along with this comes yet more talk on which of the 31 teams he would fit the best in. This will surely go on ESPN's "Favre Ticker" ...along with what he had for breakfast today.
Don't forget the half-hour special on his bowel movements, complete with commentary.

Don't forget the half-hour special on his bowel movements, complete with commentary.
oh god! i thought we were over Barrak's bowling fiasco!?...oh! Brett's bowel..nevermind :o

Don't forget the half-hour special on his bowel movements, complete with commentary.

And Madden's "Coach's Clicker," where he can advance and reverse the footage, and draw all over the screen.

THIS JUST IN!!! BREAKING NEWS FROM THE BRETT FAVRE SAGA!!!!!!

...Brett Favre takes a crap; Packers organization seeks further tampering charges, claiming the brown log resembles a Viking Horn.

I heard the crap was pretty dry, it must mean something. Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith both argue that since the crap was dry, it has to mean he ate something high in fiber for breakfast. Now we bring in 20 analysts to go over high fiber foods so that we can imagine what Brett ate that gave him such a dry crap.

This is kind of fun haha.

If it is crap, it must have emenates from the Vikings.

The Vikings are not even an issue in this. Compared to Favre, they look like King Solomon himself.

Originally Posted by Imagineer
If it is crap, it must have emenates from the Vikings.
We're not the ones seemingly tarnishing the legacy of a future-HOF QB...or have any player doing that on his own.

Since I can't turn on the TV without seeing Favre, I will continue to have my say:

Why is this even a story? Favre said he was done, so the Pack moved on. ANY OTHER PLAYER would be instantly called out of line if they expected the things Favre expects.

His interview with bambi eyes saying ".. I don't wanna come back and hold a clip board.." Is laughable. Hey Brett.. I'm sure Kurt Warner loved doing that behind Eli Manning. I'm sure all 38 year olds are in the prime of their career, right? It's Aaron Rodger's time. Move the hell over, get out of the way. Did you hear Jon Kitna bitch after he had a remarkable season with the Bengals, but was then sat down so Carson Palmer could come in?

Brett Favre is like the guy who turned down a job, waited two months, came back and said "I changed my mind", and is now pissed that the job didn't know that he would change his mind. Would ANYONE call a person who did that sane? It is EXACTLY what is going on here. The football universe does not revolve around Brett Favre.

MORE BREAKING NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL ESPN BRETT FAVRE CENTER!!!

Brett Favre plans to retire for the day at 10:00pm CDT, citing sleepiness and irritability. Substantial dookie-age may precede, will keep you posted!

Three things are happening right now:

1. Brett Favre thinks he's king of all.
2. The Packers Organization is acting like nothing happened.
3. Aaron Rodgers is raging mad at having to (possibly) face another year as the official clipbaord holder.

GRRRR!!! (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6DEE980D106A535EAA01E54882172CE0? id=09000d5d809b543d&template=with-video&confirm=true)

Three things are happening right now:

1. Brett Favre thinks he's king of all.
2. The Packers Organization is acting like nothing happened.
3. Aaron Rodgers is raging mad at having to (possibly) face another year as the official clipbaord holder.

GRRRR!!! (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=6DEE980D106A535EAA01E54882172CE0? id=09000d5d809b543d&template=with-video&confirm=true)

Short term - maybe having Favre back will be good for the franchise. Long term this just completely screws up the QB situation.

I forgot to add another thing going on right now:

4. John Madden's Viagra is finally paying dividends as his man-love crush has returned to play. (anybody see how he could hardly contain himself during the HOF Game? Every other break in between downs was literally a mention of Favre!)

I've officially lost all respect for Brett Farve.

This is either a ploy by the Packers to get a better deal in a trade, or a completely spineless Packers team who are merely enablers of a toddler-esque Brett Favre.

Something is wrong when 24 year old Aaron Rodgers is a bigger man than a 38 year old Brett Favre.

Not to mention that, now, what's getting more annoying than all the Brett Favre scenarios being measured out by every sports analyst in the f*cking universe...is every sports analyst in the f*cking universe talking about how they don't want to talk about Brett Favre.

is every sports analyst in the f*cking universe talking about how they don't want to talk about Brett Favre.

The proof is in the pudding Silver... they can SAY that, but most of them are giddy little school children who just don't want to be labeled as bias.

favre is getting tradded to the dodgers

Not to mention that, now, what's getting more annoying than all the Brett Favre scenarios being measured out by every sports analyst in the f*cking universe...is every sports analyst in the f*cking universe talking about how they don't want to talk about Brett Favre.

ESPN's NFL website had a picture of Favre with a circle and line through it that said "Favre free zone." Of course that was next to a giant picture of Favre about four times its size.

Yea, that is just empty advertising Lionel. They want to cater to all audiences, so they become politicians and make it a "favre free zone" that happens to have Brett Favre all over it. :rolleyes:

The latest rumors is that the Buccaneers will being making an offer for getting Favre. I will say that Favre is getting old, and some may say that he is not very good, but consider who the competition is at Tampa Bay.

QB 7 Jeff Garcia 12 Luke McCown 8 Brian Griese 2 Chris Simms 11 Josh Johnson

I think he could probably win the starting job easily against that stellar cast.

Wouldn't that be kinda fun if TB somehow then traded Favre to Minnesota? Now THAT would be a story!

That would be funny. Tampa would still not have a quarterback, and they would be fun to run up the score on them. Plus Packers faithful could hate Tampa as much as the Vikings. Not only that, we would get the chance of seeing just how fast Favre can run on Monday Night in game 1.

Wouldn't that be kinda fun if TB somehow then traded Favre to Minnesota? Now THAT would be a story!

Someone asked that question of ESPN and they said while there's nothing to prevent that from happening, the teams rely on each other pretty heavily (for scouting, trades, etc.) and would be unlikely to do anything that would so hugely piss off another team.

McCarthy said he didn't believe Brett would have the, quote, "right mindset" to play for Green Bay.
What did he mean by this?

That he'd be unhappy by being a backup?
Or, that he wouldn't be happy with extensive practices, like he went thru last year?

Or something else?

PS. I called my dau with the news that Brett is prob going to be a Buc. Her reaction----"Oh."

Probaly similar to what Brett's reaction was. He has made a royal fool of himself. And not only that--he NEVER would have played for Lombardi's teams. Too lazy.

It is my understanding that the arrogant Favre wanted his starting job back, no questions asked. Not only wanted, but EXPECTED it, as if he is warped enough to think that the Packers OWE him anything. It might be the case of Favre didn't screw with them every offseason. You reward those who are pro-team and stick with you. Favre doesn't fit in that category.

McCarthy said he didn't believe Brett would have the, quote, "right mindset" to play for Green Bay.
What did he mean by this?

That he'd be unhappy by being a backup?
Or, that he wouldn't be happy with extensive practices, like he went thru last year?

Or something else?

PS. I called my dau with the news that Brett is prob going to be a Buc. Her reaction----"Oh."

Probaly similar to what Brett's reaction was. He has made a royal fool of himself. And not only that--he NEVER would have played for Lombardi's teams. Too lazy.

I think it mostly involves on the working off and doing the minicamps etc. I know that other coaches kind of let him not doing that stuff, but McCarthy is not doing that. It is a problem that every else on the team is doing that stuff, and Favre seems that he much better than to have to do that stuff.

I guess that probably when he was considering coming out of retiring before the first minicamp, and calls to McCarthy. McCarthy said OK, we will see you at the minicamp, and Favre said I'll just stay retired then. Lombardi would have shipped him out in a quick hurry. It is not being a team leader saying and doing that Favre is. Lombardi used to have Hornung and McGee sneaking out of bed check. He never tried him trading them, because while they broke the rules they never missed doing the work. He always worked out and made it to practices.

I think Rodgers is the leader now, the guy who has done the work. I think Favre is no willing to do that. I think that he is no longer the quarterback of the Packers. I think that is good. Talent is not the only thing that is important.

Favre is just used to getting everything his way and not being blamed for any loss ever incurred on the team. He's used to being coddled by everyone around him. Football isn't just a game you play for fun when you're in the NFL; it's also about business and thinking of the team as a whole, not just the star athlete. Favre is pretty much the captain of his own sinking ship.

If you are tired above Favre. the situation is finally decided. The Packers traded him to the Jets for a single draft pick which they are saying is for anywhere between 4th and 1st depending on how well Favre plays.

http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8802464

If you are tired above Favre. the situation is finally decided. The Packers traded him to the Jets for a single draft pick which they are saying is for anywhere between 4th and 1st depending on how well Favre plays.

http://www.wkowtv.com/global/story.asp?s=8802464
thank god! the long national nightmare is over!

thank god! the long national nightmare is over!

Just remember, he is now a much bigger media market. It will be interesting to see what the media say in New York when they throw 3 interceptions and lose the game.

Just remember, he is now a much bigger media market. It will be interesting to see what the media say in New York when they throw 3 interceptions and lose the game.

:lolhit: Good point. It sure seems like the Jets gave up a lot to get Favre. Even if it's just a 4th rounder, that's a pretty steep price to give up for a player who can retire at any given moment. Then again, Favre could play for another 5 years, who even knows at this point...

The pick can escalate depending on how many snaps Favre takes and how well the Jets do. I will probably end up being a 2nd rounder.

As for the trade... it's about freakin time. Not to mention, it's hilarious to see people predicting 10-12 wins for the Jets LMAO. Maybe if it were 1996... but it's 2008. Favre is 38, he can't move too well, and he's an old dog that has to learn new tricks. I can't wait to see him pad his INT record.

Originally Posted by Decka
As for the trade... it's about freakin time. Not to mention, it's hilarious to see people predicting 10-12 wins for the Jets LMAO. Maybe if it were 1996... but it's 2008. Favre is 38, he can't move too well, and he's an old dog that has to learn new tricks. I can't wait to see him pad his INT record.
And, of course, ESPN is there with every waking moment. Sure adds insult to injury to see him wearing #4 with the Jets.

It will strange seeing Favre in a Jet. It's sort of like watching Montana in Kansas City.

I don't get where all of this "greatness" talk is coming from...

4 out of his last 5 years were below average, he's old, the team he is now on had 4 wins last year... I say they get 6-7 wins tops.

Carbon--

great avatar!

"Cry havoc, and unleash the Dogs of War".....

PS. Hope we do something about our cornerbacks and soon.

I predict that neither the Jets nor the Pack make the playoffs.

Who do you think the NFC north. I don't think the Vikings will with a young as Rodgers. Chicago still doesn't have a quarterback. The Lions still don't have a lot of things. I don't think the Packers will be as good as they were last year, but they are young team that will be getting better, and has a lot of talent with some experience other than at quarterback. They definitely will make the playoffs, even though they will have a tougher schedule than last year. I think they are a year or two away from the superbowl though.

Who do you think the NFC north. I don't think the Vikings will with a young as Rodgers. Chicago still doesn't have a quarterback. The Lions still don't have a lot of things. I don't think the Packers will be as good as they were last year, but they are young team that will be getting better, and has a lot of talent with some experience other than at quarterback. They definitely will make the playoffs, even though they will have a tougher schedule than last year. I think they are a year or two away from the superbowl though.
Lions fans are just happy when it doesn't look like they're throwing the game.

Chicago still doesn't have a quarterback.

Have they ever had a quaterback? They seem to do okay.

I guess Minnesota would have to be my pick. They were 8-8 last year with a young team that outscored their opponents by quite a bit over the entire year. Incidentally, they were one of the teams that beat the Giants (in NY no less, 41-17) last year.

The Packers had a 13 - 3 basically young team. I don't think that Favre is the reason for that. Rodgers is young, but they have a good team around him. One other thing that will be interesting, the Packers are sitting right now $26 million under the cap. If some veteran cutting of people late in the preseason, they can afford to pick up someone that they want.