I mean we have the same issues with their politics as we suppossedly do with Cuba. They have all these horrible deeds that we hate. We pulled Saddam out of a hole and hanged him for some of the same things China does daily. Yet we are in full support of the Olympics. We trade with them and borrow money from them. Tell me please why won't this country be a bully to China like we are to Cuba?

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:bike:

He are some things that are different.

1. China has about 1.2 billion people living there, about 20% of the whole population of the earth.

2. China has nuclear weapons and missiles that can reach to anywhere in the world.

3. A lot of the manufactured goods sold in the U.S. are made in China. We are entwined very thoroughly in our economic. Also, much of the computer chips are made in China.

sure we buy a lot from china, but we also sell a lot too. Take Applied Materials for example, they sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of goods to China (that's just one company).

Also, china ain't as bad as Richard Gere would make you believe. I go to China every month and things are not as bad as the media make it out to be. Talk to the common man man on the street, they are happy with the direction that China is going.

It is a good question.
China is a communist dictatorship.
So why don't we treat them like one?

I mean we have the same issues with their politics as we suppossedly do with Cuba. They have all these horrible deeds that we hate. We pulled Saddam out of a hole and hanged him for some of the same things China does daily. Yet we are in full support of the Olympics. We trade with them and borrow money from them. Tell me please why won't this country be a bully to China like we are to Cuba?

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:bike:

Perhaps you could elaborate on how and when the US has bullied china.

ummmmmmmm............ america is hypocritical ?

sure we buy a lot from china, but we also sell a lot too. Take Applied Materials for example, they sell hundreds of millions of dollars worth of goods to China (that's just one company).

Also, china ain't as bad as Richard Gere would make you believe. I go to China every month and things are not as bad as the media make it out to be. Talk to the common man man on the street, they are happy with the direction that China is going.

And I dont think politians can act! I get my news from many sources. And yes I am sure China is nice. Have you ever been to Mexico? I don't mean the resorts I mean the REAL Mexico. China can allow its tourists to see what ever they want them to see.

-Feetie

Perhaps you could elaborate on how and when the US has bullied china.

I am assuming you can read so you must have meant when do we bully Cuba. How about 50 years of sanctions. No back and forth of people or goods. Several failed attempts on the life of Fidel. Yet it has remained strong. 90 miles away from the biggest capiltalistic bully on the block and they have remained true!

That is just my opinion I could be wrong!

-Feets

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ummmmmmmm............ america is hypocritical ?

I like the way you think and btw DISTURBED ROCKS!!!

And I dont think politians can act! I get my news from many sources. And yes I am sure China is nice. Have you ever been to Mexico? I don't mean the resorts I mean the REAL Mexico. China can allow its tourists to see what ever they want them to see.

-Feetie

and the parts where people are starving, in some areas the pollution can kill, the prisons where religious or political disenters are rotting in, etc..
i don't think cuba is really that bad. just that modern tech is not available to everyone. some people still drive cars from the 1950's, etc.. most people who want to leave cuba have their reasons, but i bet most of it is to GET the same shite americans get daily.
if trade was opened up to cuba do you think they'd be leaving so much? i don't think so.

and the parts where people are starving, in some areas the pollution can kill, the prisons where religious or political disenters are rotting in, etc..
i don't think cuba is really that bad. just that modern tech is not available to everyone. some people still drive cars from the 1950's, etc.. most people who want to leave cuba have their reasons, but i bet most of it is to GET the same shite americans get daily.
if trade was opened up to cuba do you think they'd be leaving so much? i don't think so.

It is not so much how bad Cuba is or isn't. I am just amazed how we just refuse to talk to them or negociate with them. Its like we are so mad at them for defying us "Successfully" for so long we are now only doing it to punish them. Or doing it out of spite!

My feelings on that issue whether there or Iran or China etc is as follows: I think if you give the general population the access to goods that we sell or have in time they will make the government change. The problem with sanctions is they only hurt the people not the government. That is why Saddam lived in luxury and his people were starving!

Oh is that quote from the actual and famous Scumbelina??? Do you have the honor of knowing her too?

-Feetie

Oh and I agree about the poverty in other countries. I love how strongly those countries fight to keep the poor away from the resorts! LOL!!

God Bless America!

Tell me please why won't this country be a bully to China like we are to Cuba?

Because the RightWing draft dodgers running this country at present are, at heart, cowardly bullies who vastly prefer to pick on those who are virtually defenseless.

Those nations who can fight back are --even though they do the same things as the smaller countries-- are treated as esteemed friends and business partners......provided they possess something that the ConservaFascists desire.

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And I dont think politians can act! I get my news from many sources. And yes I am sure China is nice. Have you ever been to Mexico? I don't mean the resorts I mean the REAL Mexico. China can allow its tourists to see what ever they want them to see.

-Feetie

Yes, I have been to 15 different cities, north, south, east, and west and even central! I'm actually going back tomorrow!!

Yes, I have been to 15 different cities, north, south, east, and west and even central! I'm actually going back tomorrow!!

My issue is not with China. My issue is with the USA. Why we treat countries who can benifit us one way and poor countries another?

-Feetie

My issue is not with China. My issue is with the USA. Why we treat countries who can benifit us one way and poor countries another?

-Feetie


agreed. China does go against the "democracy" model we want to spread in the world.

agreed. China does go against the "democracy" model we want to spread in the world.

Its the same in the Middle East. We bomb Iraqi to save them for Democracy but won't even talk to North Korea, Iran, Syria, We support Pakastan and Saudia Rabia (friends of the Bush family) Funny how we feel we have the right to pick and choose who deserves democracy and who doesn't!!

-Feets

So we have some liberals on here calling for war on China out of principle?

The united states would get creamed by China, they have a gigantic and better trained standing army. They have better technology.

So we have some liberals on here calling for war on China out of principle?

The united states would get creamed by China, they have a gigantic and better trained standing army. They have better technology.

you are missing the point as usual. (not that I agree with the argument)

So we have some liberals on here calling for war on China out of principle?

The united states would get creamed by China, they have a gigantic and better trained standing army. They have better technology.


China would demolish us. And my point was not to go to war with China My point is that we as a country tend to pick and choose whom we want to save for democracy and who we don't!

-F

So we have some liberals on here calling for war on China out of principle?

Whaaaaaaaa?!?!?

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I just read the entire thread.

If there is anything here --by anyone-- even remotely suggesting that there should be *war on China*, I cannot locate it.

Whaaaaaaaa?!?!?

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I just read the entire thread.

If there is anything here --by anyone-- even remotely suggesting that there should be *war on China*, I cannot locate it.

You have to close one eye, tie off your heart and shut off half your brain. And then you can read it like a conservative republican. Then you can read between the lines!

-Feets

Whaaaaaaaa?!?!?

:@@: :@@: :@@:

I just read the entire thread.

If there is anything here --by anyone-- even remotely suggesting that there should be *war on China*, I cannot locate it.

I would figure an "all knowing" person such as yourself would be able to pick up on it.. but I digress:

It is a good question.
China is a communist dictatorship.
So why don't we treat them like one?


Kinda suggests that we get rid of China, since we got rid of the rest of the communist regimes, or at least denounce them completely.

ahem,

america is hyprocritical. period. and it has to do with money.
iraq fought iran. america backs iraq. they knew what iraq was doing at all times. as long as we get the oil.
saddam becomes a problem to the oil flow from saudi arabia. iraq gets sanctions. even though many, many innocent people, including children starve, have no medicine. blame the iraqi leaders, but america knew what would happen, and happened. as long as we get the oil.
china is a dictatorship that controls the people out right. ask the dissenters rotting in prison or in their graves. they have money and goods, america wants it. period.
the old soviet union was a block to america in some parts of the world. america won the pissing contest because capitalism can outdo militarily what russia couldn't. it broke russias bank. america had/has the money, and resources to break communism. as long as the military is involved. take out the military industrial machine, and communism would have won.
china? china is now more of a socialist state which , today, is more of a mix of communism and capitalism.
in the western hemisphere communism was blocked by NAFTA. except a few hold outs , of course.
everything has to do with money in america, not freedom.
the sad thing is the soldiers are being used to prop up, support, and defend the corporate top 1 % that runs america. not freedom.
if you want real change in america you have to have the military to back the people, not the rich and paranoid.
then and only then will things change.

and feelfeetrule, i ran into scumbelina here some time ago. we hit it off. she's cool. wish i knew her in real life.

America was created by a war, so those who are american and want peace are hypocritical... LOL.

Primitive, you can pretty much call anyone hypocritical. I don't think America is very hypocritical at all.... America worships greed, disrespect, violence, drama... and that's sure what it is.

got that right decka. look at americas roots.
democracy in america was created from rich white male land owners. all else had no say.
america evolves. and nothing much has changed. the people are just brainwashed into accepting their lot and letting the status quo continue.
the majority who own the land are the rich, and the government.
of course, it was all stolen. and STILL the rent is not paid up.
free? my ass. freedom? my ass.
it has been run by the top 1% of society, and those who kiss their ass. and still is.

got that right decka. look at americas roots.
democracy in america was created from rich white male land owners. all else had no say.
america evolves. and nothing much has changed. the people are just brainwashed into accepting their lot and letting the status quo continue.
the majority who own the land are the rich, and the government.
of course, it was all stolen. and STILL the rent is not paid up.
free? my ass. freedom? my ass.
it has been run by the top 1% of society, and those who kiss their ass. and still is.

Tell Scummy her foot slave says hello!

-Feetie

So we have some liberals on here calling for war on China out of principle?

I just read the entire thread.

If there is anything here --by anyone-- even remotely suggesting that there should be *war on China*, I cannot locate it.

I would figure an "all knowing" person such as yourself would be able to pick up on it....but I digress:

Nope, I could not "pick up on it". I await you showing me where someone suggested it.



China is a communist dictatorship.
So why don't we treat them like one?

Kinda suggests that we get rid of China, since we got rid of the rest of the communist regimes, or at least denounce them completely.

No, actually it does nothing of the kind. It asks why we do not treat China as communist dictatorship.

It suggests nothing ---absolutely nothing whatsoever-- about "getting rid of" them.

But even if it did, that was not what you asserted anyway.

Your assertion was that there are ""some liberals on here calling for war on China"".

I still cannot locate the slightest hint of anyone suggesting a war against China.

But hey!!....don't let that keep you from trying to obfuscate and deny what you posted, you dishonest POS.

Nope, I could not "pick up on it". I await you showing me where someone suggested it.



No, actually it does nothing of the kind. It asks why we do not treat China as communist dictatorship.

It suggests nothing ---absolutely nothing whatsoever-- about "getting rid of" them.

But even if it did, that was not what you asserted anyway.

Your assertion was that there are ""some liberals on here calling for war on China"".

I still cannot locate the slightest hint of anyone suggesting a war against China.

But hey!!....don't let that keep you from trying to obfuscate and deny what you posted, you dishonest POS.

You can deny it all you want. You're good at denying what you don't agree with. I'm talking about the undertones of the conversation.... the implied message. You always play dumb when it's an argument AGAINST you (and all too well, I might add).. but use implied notions when it suits you.

What If I said "well, Mr. X is criminal, we should treat him like one"?

Nobody said he should be arrested, but it's quite implied.

You can keep playing the role of a complete idiot though... It's like you were born for the role. Like Val Kilmer in "Tombstone"...

You can deny it all you want. You're good at denying what you don't agree with. I'm talking about the undertones of the conversation.... the implied message. You always play dumb when it's an argument AGAINST you (and all too well, I might add).. but use implied notions when it suits you.If I didn't know any better I'd be amazed you're still trying to argue this.

No one in this thread has implied anything close to "calling for war with China".

You can deny it all you want. You're good at denying what you don't agree with. I'm talking about the undertones of the conversation....

a) I am not denying anything. I am saying that I cannot find what you alleged; liberals here who have suggested we wage war on China.

b) Okay. "undertones". Just show how in the *undertones* of anything that's been posted to this thread how anyone here, liberal or not, has hinted at or suggested a war with China.

I already told you Einstein... if you don't see it, then you just don't see it. Carry on.

We're the bug, they're the shoe...end of story.

I already told you Einstein... if you don't see it, then you just don't see it. Carry on.

My appologies if my message was misunderstood. My only point was that America talks about hating communism and Religious dictatorships but we only act against those said contries if they are weaker than us or cannont or do not provide us with financial assistance. I just want to know why we treat China differently than we do Cuba. Why do we treat Iraqi differently than we treat Pakastan, Lybia, North Korea, Iran, etc. etc. etc. When I hear Bush say how he is fighting for democracy around the world I wonder how he picks his locations to do that fighting. I just want to know. Thanks.....


-Feetie.......

free... just to be clear, that post wasn't towards you, but you did explain yourself rather well in this past post.

As for treating all countries the same... it would be a good principle, but in reality it's just not possible. You can't treat 200 lbs. just like 50 lbs. You can argue that they are "both weights" and both "should be lifted over your head"... but the 50 lbs. would be easy, and the 200 lbs might give you a herniated disc or cause you to injure your back. China is such a different situation than Cuba. True, they are both communist countries, but the economic, military, geographic, and historic factors are all completely different. It's not as easy as saying "communist country = war"...

I could be at a bar and see a 180 lb guy picking on someone. He's about 3/4 of my weight, so It wouldn't be crazy for me to step in and at least let him know that it's of poor taste. And if he gets violent, he's not going to overpower me.. although he could secretly be a black belt, the odds are good that I could handle the situation. But if there is a deisle, 350 pound musclebound freak picking on someone, or even me.. there isn't much I can do beyond verbal information of my disapproval. They are both "picking on someone", but they are two different situations.

free... just to be clear, that post wasn't towards you, but you did explain yourself rather well in this past post.

As for treating all countries the same... it would be a good principle, but in reality it's just not possible. You can't treat 200 lbs. just like 50 lbs. You can argue that they are "both weights" and both "should be lifted over your head"... but the 50 lbs. would be easy, and the 200 lbs might give you a herniated disc or cause you to injure your back. China is such a different situation than Cuba. True, they are both communist countries, but the economic, military, geographic, and historic factors are all completely different. It's not as easy as saying "communist country = war"...

I could be at a bar and see a 180 lb guy picking on someone. He's about 3/4 of my weight, so It wouldn't be crazy for me to step in and at least let him know that it's of poor taste. And if he gets violent, he's not going to overpower me.. although he could secretly be a black belt, the odds are good that I could handle the situation. But if there is a deisle, 350 pound musclebound freak picking on someone, or even me.. there isn't much I can do beyond verbal information of my disapproval. They are both "picking on someone", but they are two different situations.

Again totally understood a different type of situation. Then lets us as a nation be honest about it. Bush goes on National tv talking about how USA is trying to be this democracy machine in the world and stop oppression. But in truth we are one of the greatest oppressors. And the thing is most of the rest of the world INCLUCING our allies sees that lie and think very differently of us now. And maybe next time we call on them for help they will not just blindly send troops or aide! And that is something we as a nation need to seriously consider. There are many who still think we as americans are just loved and worshipped! And that is not the case! Many who used to come to us are now going else where!

-Feets

My issue is not with China. My issue is with the USA. Why we treat countries who can benifit us one way and poor countries another?

-Feetie

The more you deal with a county (trade) is why more interest are given. It only seems natural to me.

but then force sanctions on them to try to crack them?

money, money,money................it's what america is made of..........and not much else.

but then force sanctions on them to try to crack them?

money, money,money................it's what america is made of..........and not much else.

Owing my isn't having money.

Fidel Castro would be gone if Cuba had enough Cuban's to get rid of him. So sanctions could be lifted, and trade could be restored.

China has never attacked the US or tried to harm it like Cuba did and that is a big difference.