http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6MVmv1OY6Q

Comments from CNN:

"He is reaching out to the Eskimo Vote"

"She is the last minute desperation pick."

"Im sure Hillary didn't put 18 million cracks in the ceiling so a pro-life, pro-gun nobody from Alaska could slide in."

Cafferty - Does McCain undercut his own message with VP pick?
Absolutely!
But will the MSM chew his but to pieces? Not likely..
They could have beat him up for not knowing the difference between Sunni and Shia..
He's an old guy and a vet yet he is such a hypocrite when it come times to vote and support old people or vets.
Glad to see Cafferty and Olbermann keepin' it real.

Comments from CNN:

Thanks for exploding the myth of CNN being objective.

I'll refer back to this post during the next "liberal media" thread.

I was thinking the same thing brooks. Where is all the praise for Palin? If the republicans are in bed with the media, and they get unfair advantages... why are all the headlines negative? Why are these "right wing media outlets" not helping their own kind?

faux news just named her the second mother mary.

"She's smart and not bad to look at either."

A go get-um woman with a go get-um attitude"

"Has all the right stuff to satisfy the hard party liners".

And some people say news isn't biased..lol

I guess it just matters what flavor of coolaid you drink.

Fox News is a freakin' joke.

I watch them all the time just to see how they spin it. But I can't watch for more than 30 minutes. My liberal head almost explodes. Too much of the "truth"! haha

Thanks for exploding the myth of CNN being objective.

A. Who exactly, besides you, is claiming that CNN (the corporate media) is "objective"? It certainly is not me.
B. Since when do user comments reflect the views of CNN? Do user comments also reflect the views of Fox? I can find some doosies on their comments section.

Fox is widely accepted as having a right wing slant.. by both sides.

Fox News is a freakin' joke.

I watch them all the time just to see how they spin it. But I can't watch for more than 30 minutes. My liberal head almost explodes. Too much of the "truth"! haha
You've got options; the "abridged"-version.

http://www.newshounds.us/

This site's kinda like lookin'-in on the enemy-camp....after they've settled-in, for the night, and are roarin'-drunk. :thumbs:

....And, their women know-their-place:

http://foxattacks.com/blog/31631-fox-s-ainsley-earhardt-here-at-fox-we-like-to-be-feminine-so-we-don-t-wear-the-pants

:rolleyes:

http://foxattacks.com/blog/18865-fox-news-porn

I guess when liberals watch fox, it's how us conservatives view the mainstream media much of the time. Welcome to the club.

I guess when liberals watch fox, it's how us conservatives view the mainstream media much of the time. Welcome to the club.

Stop insinuating that FOX is not mainstream. According to them, they dominate the other cable news channels and O'Reilly's time slot stomps the network news shows.

And I've seen plenty of positive comments on Palin the lase few days.

you may have seen "plenty".. but that is subjective. I've seen tons of articles, from mainstream sources, ripping Palin.

and I don't even endorse Palin... at least yet. She has to prove herself.

and I don't even endorse Palin... at least yet. She has to prove herself.
LOL Decka is so balanced!! and he actually thinks for himself!

"She's smart and not bad to look at either."

A go get-um woman with a go get-um attitude"

Well, I do have to admit that for me she's the first VPILF.

:thumbs:

you may have seen "plenty".. but that is subjective. I've seen tons of articles, from mainstream sources, ripping Palin.

No more subjective than your experience. Fact is, there are positive and negative things being reported about her.

For the 10th time, what more experience in running a country, state, city, dog pound, 7-11, hot dog stand does Obama have? Has he ever actually ever been incharge of anything?

For the 10th time, what more experience in running a country, state, city, dog pound, 7-11, hot dog stand does Obama have? Has he ever actually ever been incharge of anything?

As much as McCain. Well, McCain has more years of this non-experience than Obama.

No more subjective than your experience. Fact is, there are positive and negative things being reported about her.

If your definition of "positive" is not claiming how much of a disaster she is.. then yes.

Guilty until proven innocent for the republicans.. Innocent until proven guilty for the democrats.

If your definition of "positive" is not claiming how much of a disaster she is.. then yes.


My definition of "positive" in this case is "she's more conservative than McCain so she'll strengthen the conservative base" and "she knew her latest child had Down Syndrome but went through with the pregnancy even though abortion was an option" and "she's taken on Big Oil" and "she could take votes from the Hilary voters". All comments I've heard in the main stream media.

I guess you missed all the stuff I saw... do you live in a cave?

Guilty until proven innocent for the republicans..
I think the subject is McBush.....not Bush.

http://www.texecutions.com/

I guess you missed all the stuff I saw... do you live in a cave?

I was going to ask you the same thing, since you are the one denying any positive comments being made by the main stream media about Palin. I admit there are negative comments too...I was just pointing out the positive comments you missed in your cave. ;)

As much as McCain. Well, McCain has more years of this non-experience than Obama.

Mcain was an officer in the navy. I am not sure you know what an officer does, but they are in charge of stuff.

Mcain was an officer in the navy. I am not sure you know what an officer does, but they are in charge of stuff.

Nice try, but that's not the type of "executive experience" that translates into the Presidency. It's not the "balancing the budget" type of experience that people are praising Palin for. In fact, of ALL the people I've heard tout McCain as being more experienced than Obama, I've not heard ONE (until you) cite is officer experience as being the reason. So apparently none off the McCain supporters/Obama haters but you buys that.

I was going to ask you the same thing, since you are the one denying any positive comments being made by the main stream media about Palin. I admit there are negative comments too...I was just pointing out the positive comments you missed in your cave. ;)

LOL.. from one cave-dweller to another, I made you some mammoth-foot pie... have a taste! :thumbs:

But dnamertz, If it was worded wrong by me or if I implied it somehow.. I don't think there are NO positive comments. I've seen some. Why don't we have a "headline fest".. we both post articles where the headlines have a positive or negative slant... and we can show examples to each other of what we mean..

you in?

Nice try, but that's not the type of "executive experience" that translates into the Presidency.

That is not what Kerry and his lapdog Overdose said.

Mcain was an officer in the navy. I am not sure you know what an officer does, but they are in charge of stuff.
What was McCain in charge of?
A bomber squadron?

Yeah, thats just like being President. :rolleyes:

WTF has Obama been in charge of?

WTF has Obama been in charge of?

You ever try to organize Democrats?

;)

No, but nice try at deflecting the question. What has obama been in charge of, besides his campign, which is his newest claim at running something, which is stupid.

That is not what Kerry and his lapdog Overdose said.

It's what I'm saying.

So you think Kerry and OD were correct then?

Well then tell us what kid of executive exerience your candidate has that does.

LOL.. from one cave-dweller to another, I made you some mammoth-foot pie... have a taste! :thumbs:

But dnamertz, If it was worded wrong by me or if I implied it somehow.. I don't think there are NO positive comments. I've seen some. Why don't we have a "headline fest".. we both post articles where the headlines have a positive or negative slant... and we can show examples to each other of what we mean..

you in?

OK, here are some:

Palin Defies Critics and Electrifies Party
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/us/politics/04repubday.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Palin in Spotlight: 'Average Hockey Mom' Slams Obama's 'Change' Mantra
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5718030&page=1

Palin Rips Obama, Tells Her Story
Republican VP Candidate Tells Convention She's Going To Shake Up Washington
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/03/politics/main4413805.shtml

Well then tell us what kid of executive exerience your candidate has that does.

I'm not claiming that this "executive exerience" is needed to be a successful President. I wasn't impressed with Bush, and I'm sure you weren't impressed with Clinton...both were Governors.

Well how about the experience running a coffee shop? or a gas stationn, or anything!

Well how about the experience running a coffee shop? or a gas stationn, or anything!

Obama:
President of Harvard Law Review (no coffee shop, I know)
Community Organizer
State Senator
US Senator


McCain:
Naval Captain
State Senator
US Senator


I don't see any big differences here (except in amount of time in Senate).

Apparently being a community organizer is something to belittle and mock.

How disgusting.

How many community organizers are there in the country?

Apparently being a community organizer is something to belittle and mock.

How disgusting.

Ya, it is, community organizers are stupid and smelly.

The point is--

Barack Obama many years ago helped people who lost their jobs when steel plants were shut down in Chicago.

He helped people find jobs and tried to improve the community where this happened.

Community organizers, like Barack Obama, are ordinary citizens fighting for a cause greater than themselves.

For them to mock and belittle this as if it means 'nothing' is fairly offensive, don't you think?

Furthermore, I'm willing to guess there aren't very many community organizers because it is a fairly selfless job that requires a lot of hard work with little personal benefit. I sure couldn't do it.

Apparently being a community organizer is something to belittle and mock.

How disgusting.

Even Vaunted Liberal Lion - Hardballer - Chris Matthews had to take
a snipe at the " Community Organizer " Resume title.
Remember Tubby A$$Klown ... Michael Moore ?.
Yup ... started off as a Community Organizer.Grew into THE Biggest
Wart-hog pimple on the face of Propagandizing.
Is all.

The point is--

Barack Obama many years ago helped people who lost their jobs when steel plants were shut down in Chicago.

He helped people find jobs and tried to improve the community where this happened.

Community organizers, like Barack Obama, are ordinary citizens fighting for a cause greater than themselves.

For them to mock and belittle this as if it means 'nothing' is fairly offensive, don't you think?

Furthermore, I'm willing to guess there aren't very many community organizers because it is a fairly selfless job that requires a lot of hard work with little personal benefit. I sure couldn't do it.

Ya, OK community organziers hold the country together :rolleyes: One day I hope you come back to this thread and see how silly you sound in your zealous defense of community organizers. You are missing the big points, or, you cant see the forest through the trees, so to speak.

Ya, OK community organziers hold the country together :rolleyes:
Did I say they held the country together?

Trav, you are also belittling the job of a community organizer. To be honest, for someone to do what Obama did that early in his life, speaks to me about moral character.

For you to not agree is downright silly.

Oh god, I am belittling the community organizers, you better get me banned. Or maybe even executed! Get off it man, community organizer as one of your big acomplishments is weak. That is something you do as a young man and maybe gets a sentence at one speech, not a major center piece to your claim to being experienced enough to be President of the united States and commander in chief.

I don't think there are NO positive comments (on Palin). I've seen some. Why don't we have a "headline fest".. we both post articles where the headlines have a positive or negative slant... and we can show examples to each other of what we mean..

you in?

OK, here are some:

Palin Defies Critics and Electrifies Party
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/us/politics/04repubday.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Palin in Spotlight: 'Average Hockey Mom' Slams Obama's 'Change' Mantra
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5718030&page=1

Palin Rips Obama, Tells Her Story
Republican VP Candidate Tells Convention She's Going To Shake Up Washington
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/03/politics/main4413805.shtml

Here are a few more, (from many hundreds from which to choose) all from mainstream media sources.....

Palin hits a home run with convention speech -- http://voices.kansascity.com/node/1987


US election: Sarah Palin storms convention with prime-time speech -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/04/uselections2008.sarahpalin1?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

Sarah Palin: Yes, she can! Game on. -- from the Dallas Morning News, http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/dallas_morning/http%253A%252F%252Fdallasmorningviewsblog.dallasne ws.com%252Farchives%252F2008%252F09%252Fsarah-palin-yes.html%253Fnpc

Palin fires up faithful, comes out swinging -- http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-080904-palin-speech,0,3625429.story

Palin shows she knows how to throw a punch --http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1144549,CST-NWS-mitch04.article

Palin shook up 'old boy's network' -- http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-03-palin-style_N.htm

Palin delivers star-turning performance at RNC --from the Associated Press, http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrhFOsVwX9jtDyUhy3zKCBVms8tgD92VMR980

What executive experience does John McCain have?

God how many fucking times do we have to go over this? Just vote for obama homer, stfu

For them to mock and belittle this as if it means 'nothing' is fairly offensive, don't you think?
Being offensive is something Republicans take pride in.

FYI, Wellstone Action did a great response to their ill-conceived criticism of community organizers by explaining exactly what the job entails.
http://wellstone.org/blog/responsibilities-a-community-organizer

There is also some great writing on the subject by a Harvard professor:
http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k2139

Furthermore, I'm willing to guess there aren't very many community organizers because it is a fairly selfless job that requires a lot of hard work with little personal benefit. I sure couldn't do it.
Being selfless is not a virtue to Republicans. They believe in "every man for himself" so in their worldview someone who shows that degree of selflessness is just a sucker who should have looked out for #1.

Dhrama, your complete misunderstanding of conservatism is laughable. At least with OD we can understand, he was raised liberal in a liberal town and has been completely brainwashed to think "republicans are conservatives and conservatives are mean and evil, so republicans are mean and evil". You on the other hand, you should know a little better at least, being older and more worldly wise. Supposedly.

Dhrama, your complete misunderstanding of conservatism is laughable.
How funny!
That's exactly what I think about you.
You claim to be conservative yet you know nothing about conservative philosophy.
I am a centrist who leans slightly to the left and I have actually studied the subject and read notable conservative thinkers like Sir Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk.

All you have ever done is listen to Porky Limbaugh and watch Faux News.

I am a centrist who leans slightly to the left

I stopped reading right there. You saying you are leaning slightly to the left is like OBL sayng he is a moderate muslim.

I'm pretty sure that nothing said on this forum is going to change anyone's vote, so all discussion is just for fun. Still, I'm curious, if Palin's "executive experience" is what's really important, then where is McCain's? I've defended my candidate, you should defend yours.

Stop insinuating that FOX is not mainstream. According to them, they dominate the other cable news channels and O'Reilly's time slot stomps the network news shows.
Well, then, by that logic, guess who were gonna vote for come November?

I am a centrist who leans slightly to the left....
Bwahhahahahahahahahahaahaha! ROTFLMAO!

God how many fucking times do we have to go over this?

As many times as we have to go over Obama's experience. Face it, we're not going to accept the "Naval Officer" answer any faster than you're going to accept the "Community Organizer" or "Harvard graduate" answer (which was touted as proof that Bush was smart when he was running as a Harvard graduate).

Did anyone hear the clip of Carl Rove a few weeks back when it was speculated that Governor Cain would be Obama's VP choice. Rove said Cain was "not capable to be VP because he was only Governor for three years and before that he was only Mayor of the 105th biggest city in the US". But now Palin is overflowing with experience as the superstar of the GOP. Palin is the new Obama.

As many times as we have to go over Obama's experience. Face it, we're not going to accept the "Naval Officer" answer any faster than you're going to accept the "Community Organizer" or "Harvard graduate" answer (which was touted as proof that Bush was smart when he was running as a Harvard graduate).

Did anyone hear the clip of Carl Rove a few weeks back when it was speculated that Governor Cain would be Obama's VP choice. Rove said Cain was "not capable to be VP because he was only Governor for three years and before that he was only Mayor of the 105th biggest city in the US". But now Palin is overflowing with experience as the superstar of the GOP. Palin is the new Obama.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-mocks-how-oreillys-opinion-on-teen-pregnancy-gestated-over-a-period-of-months/

I stopped reading right there. You saying you are leaning slightly to the left is like OBL sayng he is a moderate muslim.
Bwahhahahahahahahahahaahaha! ROTFLMAO!

I love how you two just revel in your own ignorance like pigs wallowing in mud.


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Sorry it took me a bit to get back to ya DNA.. School's got me in a busy state.

Here are my selections (for FT too, who decided to jump in.. welcome to the club! :thumbs:)

McCain's choice of Palin is a risk - LA Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-mccainassess30-2008aug30,0,7713901.story


Scrutiny engulfs McCain's VP pick - Google

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hUJiwtsyunq7w3M-xTmgIaAMDrhw


Republicans Rush In - Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090101715.html


Palin's former Minister Comes Under Scrutiny- USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-03-palin-pastor_N.htm


Palin's Pregnancy Problem - Washington Post

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sally_quinn/2008/08/sarah_polin.html


But Why This Woman? - Baltimore Sun

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/bal-te.reimer01sep01,0,3951691.column


A New Twist in the Debate on Mothers- NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02mother.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin


US women voters turned off by Palin's pick: poll - Google

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hp7GUc9zHATnBsvfct5Uuh7t8D-A


Republicans Ignore Health Care Issue - Giddy over McCain Pick Instead

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Florida/Health-Insurance/prweb1281394.htm


Sarah Palin excites, insults swing-state Republican voters - NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/08/31/2008-08-31_sarah_palin_excites_insults_swingstate_r.html


With all that said... I was surprised at the quick turn-around the media did in tone and content. I did a search right after the Palin pick was made public. There was a lot of "I'm not sure" from the republicans and automatic attack mode from the democrats. When I did the search, every article on the first few pages was something to the effect of "How can Republican's recover from VP Pick?" or "Republicans reeling from Palin VP nominee". Now that Palin just gave that alleged "great" speech (depends on who you talk to), but regardless of who you talk to, it definitely grabbed attention.... I searched and saw WAY more pro-Palin articles.

I had never seen such a turn around.

Sorry it took me a bit to get back to ya DNA.. School's got me in a busy state.

Here are my selections (for FT too, who decided to jump in.. welcome to the club! :thumbs:)


With all that said... I was surprised at the quick turn-around the media did in tone and content. I did a search right after the Palin pick was made public. There was a lot of "I'm not sure" from the republicans and automatic attack mode from the democrats. When I did the search, every article on the first few pages was something to the effect of "How can Republican's recover from VP Pick?" or "Republicans reeling from Palin VP nominee". Now that Palin just gave that alleged "great" speech (depends on who you talk to), but regardless of who you talk to, it definitely grabbed attention.... I searched and saw WAY more pro-Palin articles.

I had never seen such a turn around.

I think it was just a shock because no one saw it coming and didn't know who she was.

I don't have any headlines right now (might have time tomorrow), but last night after the Palin speech flipping channels between FOX and MSNBC, they were all glowing over her speech. And this morning on MSNBC the 45 minutes I watched, Joe Scarborough and his female co-host, and the half-dozen guests they had were all praising her a lot.