A treasury of creepy John McCain videos. (http://wonkette.com/402392/a-childrens-treasury-of-creepy-john-mccain-videos)

No wonder he chose Palin, since she is almost as creepy as he is.

Palin under investigation for abuse of power in Alaska. (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNBC_McCain_picks_Alaska_governor_as_0829.html)

A treasury of creepy John McCain videos. (http://wonkette.com/402392/a-childrens-treasury-of-creepy-john-mccain-videos)
Man he is kinda creepy..
The 1st video he nervously spins the wedding band, I wonder if he did that when he met Cindy?
The camera is very revealing as he looks her over checking out her bits and pieces.. that was a creepy look..
And it seemed at the end he kept trying to move closer, perhaps to whisper sweet nothings in her ear but she moves away as if his breath smells like Lieberman's ass.

You girls can make something from nothing, I really have to hand it to you. Partisanship, whether conservative or liberal, has a very ugly face to it.

I agree Havok. This is getting ridiculous.

What does this have to do with anything?

It's a "smear campaign" EH.. Some people on here seem to think that they are major pundits of the democratic party.

Man he is kinda creepy..
The 1st video he nervously spins the wedding band, I wonder if he did that when he met Cindy?
The camera is very revealing as he looks her over checking out her bits and pieces.. that was a creepy look..
And it seemed at the end he kept trying to move closer, perhaps to whisper sweet nothings in her ear but she moves away as if his breath smells like Lieberman's ass.

Yeah, no kidding!
When McCain moved in for a kiss at the end and her initial reaction was to pull away.... creeeeepy.

What does this have to do with anything?

Tha fact Palin is already under investigation for abuse of power doesn't strike you as the least bit relevant?

that would dharm.. but having "creepy videos of John McCain"?

I'll show you creepy... show a Barak Obama speech, listen to the one-liners that were new and creative around the time Niagra Falls just opened, and listen to the cool-aid drinkers in the front row react as if he is explaining how to build a car that runs on bullshit.

Now THAT is creepy.

that would dharm..
would if she was a Democrat?


but having "creepy videos of John McCain"?
He is creepy.

Palin's suspected abuse of power: Relevant and frightening.
McCain being a creepy old man: Somewhat frightening, but in no way relevant...at all.

Yeah, but Obama smokes. So there.

Palin's suspected abuse of power: Relevant and frightening.
I agree.


McCain being a creepy old man: Somewhat frightening, but in no way relevant...at all.

I disagree.
Who wants a dirty old man for President?

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of our presidents were dirty old men. Besides, it has nothing to do with his ability to govern.

Man he is kinda creepy..
The 1st video he nervously spins the wedding band, I wonder if he did that when he met Cindy?
The camera is very revealing as he looks her over checking out her bits and pieces.. that was a creepy look..
And it seemed at the end he kept trying to move closer, perhaps to whisper sweet nothings in her ear but she moves away as if his breath smells like Lieberman's ass.

This may well go down as an historic belwether thread.
Leftists callin McCain and Miss Americana { Gov. Palin } CrEePY.

Santa couldn't a picked 2 more traditional,fuddy-duddy Pols.
The Republican ticket is as meat & potatoes as a chef could whip up.

CrEepY is - Air America -.
Tom Oliphant
Keith "the Kook" Olberman
Chris Matthews before receiving Communion.
Joe Biden before & After receiving Communion.
Noam Chomsky
John Birch Society
Rachel Maddow doin a Playboy centerfold.
John Kerry caught Buyin a copy of said Playboy

I've only begun

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of our presidents were dirty old men. Besides, it has nothing to do with his ability to govern.
That isn't what Republicans said when it came to Clinton.
They spent $50 million investigating his extra-marital affair.

I think Clinton had more to do with him wagging his finger in the nation's face and then being caught in a lie. The lying is what was the issue there. Of course there were fundies who said a president shouldn't have the "moral character" to cheat on his wife... but Palin never lied about her daughter being pregnant. The Clinton thing was all about lying.

They were wrong to do it then, but it gives you no excuse to do it now. Two wrongs don't make a right...but they do produce some interesting results nonetheless.

1. The lie from Clinton came as a result of investigations into an extra-marital affair. It had nothing to do with his ability to govern but that didn't stop the Republicans from going after him anyway (and spending over $50 milliion in taxpayer money in the process).
2. It is not certain that Palin has not lied about her daughter/granddaughter. I suspect her daughter's "new" pregnancy will end in a miscarriage in October.

They were wrong to do it then, but it gives you no excuse to do it now. Two wrongs don't make a right...but they do produce some interesting results nonetheless.

Welcome 21st century political climate in America.
In a perfect world this would not be the case.

Claiming the world isn't perfect isn't an excuse either. If you want to make the world better, then lead by example. Succumbing to a popular evil only displays a lack of character, and nothing else.

Claiming the world isn't perfect isn't an excuse either.

I agree. It is just a statement of fact.


If you want to make the world better, then lead by example.

How did the high road work out for Jimmy Carter?
American politics eats virtuous people like that alive.

But you're not running for office. So why contribute to this toxic atmosphere? Why not just cut the bullshit and stick to what's important?

It is not certain that Palin has not lied about her daughter/granddaughter. I suspect her daughter's "new" pregnancy will end in a miscarriage in October.

One thing is for sure, this Palin thing has sure brought out the true nature of the compassionate liberals on this board. And in the immortal words of Dennis green: "they are who we thought they were".

One thing is for sure, this Palin thing has sure brought out the true nature of the compassionate liberals on this board. And in the immortal words of Dennis green: "they are who we thought they were".

Yeah, this has sure brought out the true nature of conservatives.

It's only immoral if a liberal does it!

Yeah, this has sure brought out the true nature of conservatives.

It's only immoral if a liberal does it!

Who said that? It is immoral no matter who does it, even your own child. Doing something immoral does not mean that person is cut off from you for the rest of their life. It is to bad you have no idea what Christianity is all about. maybe if you could look past what Madonna and Hollywood tell you what it is you would understand why it is we feel the way we do, and why you are so very, very wrong, again. Christians know what is right and wrong. SImply knowing that does not mean you never do anything wrong again. Humans are inperfect, and make mistakes. The important thing is owning up to those mistakes and knowing they were wrong. Liberals want people to believe they only make mistakes because someone else made you, or made your life so bad you had no choice. In other words a bunch of bullshit.
Her daughter did something wrong and immoral. We aree on that and she would too. What shoudl she do about it to make you happy? have her executed or crucified? WTF is it exactly you think should be done? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if you ever think about what you say. half the time you say anything I have to wonder if you are copying and pasting from an Obama web site.

Who said that? It is immoral no matter who does it, even your own child. Doing something immoral does not mean that person is cut off from you for the rest of their life. It is to bad you have no idea what Christianity is all about. maybe if you could look past what Madonna and Hollywood tell you what it is you would understand why it is we feel the way we do, and why you are so very, very wrong, again. Christians know what is right and wrong. SImply knowing that does not mean you never do anything wrong again. Humans are inperfect, and make mistakes. The important thing is owning up to those mistakes and knowing they were wrong. Liberals want people to believe they only make mistakes because someone else made you, or made your life so bad you had no choice. In other words a bunch of bullshit.
Her daughter did something wrong and immoral. We aree on that and she would too. What shoudl she do about it to make you happy? have her executed or crucified? WTF is it exactly you think should be done? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if you ever think about what you say. half the time you say anything I have to wonder if you are copying and pasting from an Obama web site.
Who called for her to be crucified? What are you talking about?!?!?!?

I think her MOTHER should reevaluate her positions and morals that produced a 17 year old unmarried pregnant daughter.

WTF? If your mom goes out and kills someone should you then think murder is OK? You should rethink your position on murder? Why not, someone close to you who you have no control over did something you think is wrong! Use your damn head for once and think about what you say before you say it.

WTF? If your mom goes out and kills someone should you then think murder is OK? You should rethink your position on murder?

That example is nonsense and you know it.

WTF? If your mom goes out and kills someone should you then think murder is OK? You should rethink your position on murder? Why not, someone close to you who you have no control over did something you think is worng! you are one stupid bastard overdose. Use your damn head for once and think about what you say before you say it.
If my Mom said XY and Z prevented children from murdering, and I went out and murdered, I'd say my Mom needs to reevaluate her views.

Sarah Palin said XY and Z prevents teen pregnancy and sex before marriage. Clearly, her reasons have been proven wrong. She should revise them.

Furthermoe, Sarah Palin condems other parents who don't practice family values because she feels that is what causes the moral decay of our country.

Yet her own daughter did what she condemns other parents for causing (moral decay--teen pregnancy). Can someone say, hypocrite?

Well, if you think about it, the one thing needed for abstenance to work is abstenance. Now unless she had a miraculous conception, I have a feeling she left out one of the letters in your fancy example there high speed. AS it is said, abstenance works every time. It is true, is it not?

Well, if you think about it, the one thing needed for abstenance to work is abstenance. Now unless she had a miraculous conception, I have a feeling she left out one of the letters in your fancy example there high speed. AS it is said, abstenance works every time. It is true, is it not?


Obviously teaching abstinence only doesn't lead to abstinence only behavior.

Thus that position needs to be reevaluated.

And teaching a kid to use condoms doesnt always mean they are going to use one.

And teaching a kid to use condoms doesnt always mean they are going to use one.

Obviously, but what matters is that you teach them about condoms.

"Abstinence-only" is all about NOT teaching anything except abstinence.

Well, if you think about it,
You didn't think hard enough.

Preaching abstinence does not produce the desired behavior. It's always been that way and it always will in the future. It does not take any great leap of cognition for a teenager to understand that she won't get pregnant if she doesn't have sex. No education is necessary. Any proffered "education" will only amount to preaching.

Sex education as it's currently taught is more effective because it is actually education, bringing to her attention things with which she may not be aware of. One should leave the preaching to the churches and the education to the schools.

Obviously, but what matters is that you teach them about condoms.

"Abstinence-only" is all about NOT teaching anything except abstinence.

But yet when people don't teach sex to their kids, you turn around and condemn them for not letting the kid choose and decide...

Looks like you have a good set up there :thumbs:

But yet when people don't teach sex to their kids, you turn around and condemn them for not letting the kid choose and decide...

How can they choose when you refuse to teach them what their choices are?

So you are "for-against" teaching abstinence then?

You didn't think hard enough.

Preaching abstinence does not produce the desired behavior. It's always been that way and it always will in the future. It does not take any great leap of cognition for a teenager to understand that she won't get pregnant if she doesn't have sex. No education is necessary. Any proffered "education" will only amount to preaching.

Sex education as it's currently taught is more effective because it is actually education, bringing to her attention things with which she may not be aware of. One should leave the preaching to the churches and the education to the schools.

To prove how backwater STUPID you and yer flimsy mindset are.

Should a Teen adopt a policy of NOT running from the Cops when
bein apprehended.

Should a teen decide NOT to hold up a Convenient store because it
looks like a piece of cake.

I could ask should a teen just say NO to drugs.

Drugs and alcohol are different.
My proof.Many a college campus.Where beer and drugs flow
freely and the Campus Cops have the easiest job on the planet.

One can do drugs and/or alcohol in their own space {privately}
and no one is hurt or the wiser.

Teens can adopt the same logic,as long as a 3rd party isn't the result.
A Baby.

Y'nose like ... YOU.

I am for teaching everything including abstinence.

Her (Palin's) daughter did something wrong and immoral. We agree on that and she would too.__________Trav

Riiiiight.

As soon as the V.P. nominee Sarah Palin states for the record --""My daughter did something wrong and immoral. That's why we see it as such a blessing, and why we are strongly urging her to keep the bastard."" -- you will have a valid point.

ROTFL.

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The de facto goal of Christianity, the predominant religion in the United States, is the destruction of the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense tell you something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to advocate for change or to accept that there are alternative views, different ways of being that are morally and socially acceptable.

The de facto goal of Christianity, the predominant religion in the United States, is the destruction of the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense tell you something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to advocate for change or to accept that there are alternative views, different ways of being that are morally and socially acceptable.

Whre did you get that idea? The people that are the most like that that I know are people like you who are chained to hatred for the ggovernment and tied to the dailykos.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
The de facto goal of Christianity, the predominant religion in the United States, is the destruction of the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense tell you something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to advocate for change or to accept that there are alternative views

Whre did you get that idea?

From the Christian faction in America, who steadfastly maintain that their mores and "values" and "morality" should take precedence over all else.

From the Christian faction in America, who steadfastly maintain that their mores and "values" and "morality" should take precedence over all else.

and what do you say? If it feels good do it?

How can they choose when you refuse to teach them what their choices are?

Spoken like a true Dimocrat.
Like all we need is more and intensified Sex Ed classes.
Exactly what part about gettin knocked-up is a challenge to
you A$$klown.I mean,like what's the big Mystery.
Of course you answer this query every day.
Yer as thick as pea soup on a wet noodle thursday,when it comes
to actual comprehension on the most basic rudimentary elements
of most Polemic.
Why should this be any different.
Face it,yer just not up to the challenge.
Proilly have a hard time deciding what animals in a cardboard
box of kiddie animals crackers to munch on first.

I am for teaching everything including abstinence.

are these not your words?

"Abstinence-only" is all about NOT teaching anything except abstinence.

I just want to know where you stand, because right now you are on both sides of the fence.

and what do you say? If it feels good do it?

Yes, pretty much.

"An it harm none, do as thou will shall be the whole of the Law." -- seems like an excellent rule to me.

Bu then, any idea or precept that I follow or I believe or advocate carries zero significance, because I am in the extreme minority and have zero power or say so over anything in this society. Nothing.

You and the rest of the superstitionist masses make the rules, write the laws and decide on the mores that this society is run by and constricted by.

"An it harm none, do as thou will shall be the whole of the Law." -- seems like an excellent rule to me.


Then how does a VP's daughter having a baby harm anyone?

How does a VP candidate's offspring being mentally handicapped harm anyone?

I suggest you practice what you preach.

Then how does a VP's daughter having a baby harm anyone?

I don't know.

I've never heard anyone make that claim.

What the criticism here centers on is the astounding hypocrisy of her fundamentalist mother......a hardcore Pentecostal type who has come out against sex education and who follows a religion that espouses all manner of irrational beliefs.

How does a VP candidate's offspring being mentally handicapped harm anyone?

?!?!?!

It causes the child born with the affliction incredible suffering.

I suggest you practice what you preach.

I suggest you try to arrange to have a brain implant.

You seem to be one short.

What I have gathered from you on the subject, FT, is assumptions. Palin isn't preaching church messages on the podium. Can you even come up with a speech where she is saying all these things you claim she is? All you have done is tied her to a church, labeled the church to the most radical of the extreme, condemned her for being part of that church to any degree, and assume that since there is a connection, she must be the female Pat Robertson. Last I checked, people had the right to practice religion here.

You want to blast someone, blast me. (Insert predictable one liner here)... I've had sex before I was married. I feel bad about the unfortunately reality and wish I could rescind the action. But I can't, I ask for forgiveness, as many sinners who believe do.

Expecting a person of religion to never make a mistake is the same as expecting a person in society to never break the law, EVER. NEVER go more than 2-3 mph over the speed limit. NEVER jaywalk. NEVER drive without your seatbelt. If you are going to hold the same harsh standards.. anyone who did anything like that is a hypocrite and a criminal.

Recent video that has come out on Sarah Palin and her religious views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84m2orSOaM

FT, you'll love it.

Recent video that has come out on Sarah Palin and her religious views:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84m2orSOaM

Here is one that's even more scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0SFERgx6JE&NR=1

Her fundamentalist pastor has some --to put it mildly-- bizarre views about who is "going to Hell" and what will cause them to be sent there.

are these not your words?

"Abstinence-only" is all about NOT teaching anything except abstinence.

I just want to know where you stand, because right now you are on both sides of the fence.

neither of my statements conflict.
What do you not understand?