A hate fanatic has boasted that Muslims will one day conquer Britain-by having more babies.

Speaking at a rally marking 9/11, Anjem Choudary bragged that a birth explosion would let followers
of Islam take control of the country.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1683635.ece

I'm sure you can find better sources than The Sun if you want to frighten us.
The "demographic threat" is quite often used by people who fear immigrants ; it has proven to be irrelevant in all wetsern countries since birth rates of immigrant communities tend to lower to local level after a few decades.
The fact that these extermists are calling for more babies shows that the present situation is not the way they would like it to be. I doubt this call will have much effect on muslim demographics in UK.

I'm sure you can find better sources than The Sun if you want to frighten us.
The "demographic threat" is quite often used by people who fear immigrants ; it has proven to be irrelevant in all wetsern countries since birth rates of immigrant communities tend to lower to local level after a few decades.
The fact that these extremists are calling for more babies shows that the present situation is not the way they would like it to be. I doubt this call will have much effect on muslim demographics in UK.
Im not trying to frighten anyone, what happens in Britain doesnt really effect me that much, however,
the birth rate amongst 'white' people in the UK is dropping all the time, Muslims don't integrate into the general society, they tend to live in groups, and their birth rate in increasing, so both societies are slowly heading towards each other in effect.

While the Muslims in Britan are calling for more births, those in France are slowly taking over.

Well they are making inroads here also to be honest, everyday you see some with the faces covered, ALL pushing buggies tho.

While I am obviously no supporter of Islamic groups, I'm worried how much support the BNP might garner by playing on people's fear of Muslims.

A hate fanatic has boasted that Muslims will one day conquer Britain-by having more babies.

Speaking at a rally marking 9/11, Anjem Choudary bragged that a birth explosion would let followers
of Islam take control of the country.

a) Do you think the claim is false? I mean, it is entirely possible that at some point in the future the number of Muslim children being born in Britain will outnumber those who are non-Muslims.........isn't it??

b) How could you possibly view a simple statement of fact as being "hateful".........??!?!?!?

c) A private individual in the U.K. might state -- "At some point in time, the number of people who are born to parents of religion (A) will outnumber the children born to parents of religion (B)."

So what? How is that to be construed as "fanatical" or hateful...?!?!?

a) Do you think the claim is false? I mean, it is entirely possible that at some point in the future the number of Muslim children being born in Britain will outnumber those who are non-Muslims.........isn't it??[QUOTE] In certain regions of Britain that is a possibility.

[QUOTE=Freethinker]b) How could you possibly view a simple statement of fact as being "hateful".........??!?!?!? I couldnt, I posted the link for debating purposes.

c) A private individual in the U.K. might state -- "At some point in time, the number of people who are born to parents of religion (A) will outnumber the children born to parents of religion (B)."

So what? How is that to be construed as "fanatical" or hateful...?!?!?
The people behind this are from a radical viewpoint, they wish to Islamitise key areas, of regions, especially
in England.
Only last month a vacant church in Blackburn was bought and planning sought to turn it into a Mosque,
this caused anger and resentment among 'white' communities, eventually someone torched the building rather than see it converted, planning was approved at Council level, Muslim Councillors hold the majority of seats.

While the Muslims in Britan are calling for more births, those in France are slowly taking over.

Hi ES347 ! Nice to get back to our old debates...

I really believe that the situation in France and UK are very different. France has a very different approach of immigrants integration, and even though it is very far from perfect, there are much fewer radical muslims in France than in UK.

Hi ES347 ! Nice to get back to our old debates...

I really believe that the situation in France and UK are very different. France has a very different approach of immigrants integration, and even though it is very far from perfect, there are much fewer radical muslims in France than in UK.
Why do you feel that is? The poor in the Algerian immigrant community seem like prime candidates for that sort of mentality.

I couldnt, I posted the link for debating purposes.

Okay. I did not intend my questions to be viewed by you as an attack on you.

I thought you were merely saying that the speaker in question had made the observation --"At some point in time the number of Muslim children being born in Britain will outnumber those who are non-Muslims".

I was unaware of him, at that conference, publicly stated anything --as the Christian community around the world ceaselessly does-- about an agenda of coercing others to convert to his religion.

Also, on a side note; the article says that another speaker, Saiful Islam -- ""warned of a repeat of the 9/11 attacks in which more than 3,000 died in America, or another 7/7 suicide attack in London""

Most intelligence experts are in agreement with him on that point.

Saiful Islam is also reported as having stated there: ""The blame of 9/11 belongs to no one but the American government. They are the terrorists.""

Which happens to be true. Until the dimwitted American Public grasps that simple truth, I do not see much hope for change or for peaceful coexistence.

A private individual in the U.K. might state -- "At some point in time, the number of people who are born to parents of religion (A) will outnumber the children born to parents of religion (B)." So what? How is that to be construed as "fanatical" or hateful...?!?!?

The people behind this are from a radical viewpoint, they wish to Islamitise key areas, of regions, especially
in England.

Okay. What about the Christian groups around the world who are intent on their religion --and the numbers of adherents to it-- being superior?? What about the people of THAT religion with a radical viewpoint, who have the unshakable agenda of trying to Christianize key regions around the globe??

Are those people --in your view-- also to be regarded as *hate filled fanatics*...??

Just curious........since many of the Christians that I come into contact with on a regular basis are, themselves, the same sort of *hate filled fanatics* that you seem to be talking about;

.....people who make little secret of their wish for the rest of the world to bow down to their god, their prejudices, their prohibitions and their taboos.

The Christian groups are okay in doing so, just ask the White House.

Any easy answer would be to jsut say no to new immigrants unless they have something to offer the country they plan to move in too.

Why do you feel that is? The poor in the Algerian immigrant community seem like prime candidates for that sort of mentality.
There are many reasons. First, most muslim immigrants in France come from north Africa, not Pakistan or Arabia where there are much more fundamentalists. Many of these people have seen the trouble caused by fundamentalists in their country (Algeria) and do not support them.
Second, french govt and police have been very careful not to allow extremist groups. Since the bombings in Paris during the 80's and 90's, a lot of intelligence work has been done to avoid fundamentalist islam to spread in France. It has not been 100% effective, of course, and there is actually a growing number of fundamentalist muslims in France, but the main guys - ideologists, network organizers - have rather found a haven in Britain where the policy was completely different.
Until 9-11 2007, many terrorist or at least very aggressive muslim movements where based in Britain , and obviously some of them are still there.
Third, french immigration tradition is supposed to make "french citizen" with all immigrants, whatever country and religion they come from. This is far from being achieved successfully, but it is different from the british way of dealing with lots of separated communities.

Third, french immigration tradition is supposed to make "french citizen" with all immigrants, whatever country and religion they come from. This is far from being achieved successfully, but it is different from the british way of dealing with lots of separated communities.

Wasn't the huge riot of several years ago generally based in immigrant communities that had not really integrated into French society?

Wasn't the huge riot of several years ago generally based in immigrant communities that had not really integrated into French society?

Sure.
It shows that this policy has not been really successful, but these 2d generation kids main claim is to be treated like any other french citizen. Unlike what I read on this forum in some occasion, these riots had very little religious or ideological content. It was not " we muslims are going to burn out your decadent western society", it was rather " we are fed up to live in crappy suburbs and to be treated like shit by police and to get no job". Actually, religious leaders tried to calm things down, because they feared people would be pissed off at muslims (and hopefully because they felt it was wrong !)

A hate fanatic has boasted that Muslims will one day conquer Britain-by having more babies.
And what, exactly, makes this person a "hate fanatic"? That's a fact based in a reality check. It's happening in every "free" country the world over. Welcome to America - we're here to be fucked and used by everyone so they can prosper at our expense. I'm sure the English are experiencing something very similar.

And what, exactly, makes this person a "hate fanatic"? That's a fact based in a reality check. It's happening in every "free" country the world over. Welcome to America - we're here to be fucked and used by everyone so they can prosper at our expense. I'm sure the English are experiencing something very similar.

Yes Im sure they are, in Englands case, colonial conquest is coming back to haunt them.
Having ruled India, the jewel in the crown, for so long, all these colonial citizens were seen as cheap
labour in the 50s and 60s, unfortunately for Britain, this cheap labour pool came from Indias break away,
Pakistan. I wouldnt suppose they could have foreseen things to come.

Enoch Powell, an English conservative MP during the 60s stated that eventually, ''the streets would run with blood'' due to so much migration from India and Pakistan, he was chastised, and never really recovered,
he may be right in the long run.

America and Britan are not alone in seeing Muslim immigration, all EU nations are experiencing it.
To turn around and say enough is enough, these people use our own domestic law to force their way in,
gotta look politically correct ya know.

Enoch Powell, an English conservative MP during the 60s stated that eventually, ''the streets would run with blood'' due to so much migration from India and Pakistan, he was chastised, and never really recovered,
he may be right in the long run.
Thank you for the answer.